st croix eyecon

does anyone have a review on these rods yet? I am looking for a new jigging rod and was wondering if anyone as tried them yet

WTHeck!!

All I know the Eyecon is a good rod no matter the modules!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, someone seems to have gotten the boot.....lol

This thread went to pot when YOU started posting SS. You claimed the Eyecons are the exact same blanks as Triumphs and Premiers. They aren't. They are the same graphite. Then you went on to share your vast second hand knowledge on graphite. Thanks for that. Now can you please tell me if a 85 million modulus BPS rod is more sensitive than a 58 million modulus NRX or Elite? Remember the basis for your entire argument was higher modulus meant more sensitivity? Please respond, blank builders everywhere are waiting for you to share your wisdom.

Yes, they are. You finally got it. All the modulus rating means is that at one point in the build somewhere in the blank a higher modulus was used. If you want to believe that just because a rod is rated at 95 mil or IM10 it is going to be more sensitive than one rated at 33 or 39 mil you go ahead and keep believing that. BTW, some of those models you said you own happen to have low mod butt to tip with a high mod reinforcement in the bottom 18". Of course you knew that already. And I should probably look into getting some 85 mil BPS rods for $75 to 80 bucks. They should be much more sensitive than a Legend Elite or GLX or NRX that's only 58 mil.

The IM rating or modulus count is almost completely irrelevant when selecting a rod. There isn't much of an industry standard. A lot of the rods that are marketed as 33 to 95 mil are simply low grade graphites with a high mod reinforcement in the butt section. Or measuring the mod pre bake. Or using the sum of all the different patterns used. There aren't but 3 or 4 of the 2 or three dozen blank manufacturers out there that I trust for accurate carbon counts. SC is one.

Eyecon and Premiere both have Batson aluminum oxide guides.Triumph has a cheaper unknown aluminum oxide.If the Eyecon had silicon carbide or zirconia,I would agree with you.Eyecon and Premiere both have a better reel seat also.As far as a shorter jigging rod there's a 30 dollar difference not that much more, plus you can get a Eyecon with a extra fast action.So in the end if I was looking for a jigging rod, I would definitely go with the Eyecon over a Triumph.That would change though if I was looking for a longer rod.

Peterskeeter, you need to read this article, then maybe you will understand a little better about graphite as it pertains to rod blanks. IM ratings have nothing to do with "graphite count" the rating is a measure of stiffness. Higher IM=stiffer which equals LESS material necessary to achieve the same strength. This is why less graphite can equal more sensitivity. http://www.flwoutdoors.com/fishing-articles/141123/graphite-rods/ As far as Triumph rods being the "same" as Eyecons, Premiers, etc. they may be all made with the same blank material, BUT, the difference in build quality plus the difference in components are good a valid reasons to spend more. Real seats, handle designs and guide style/placements and finish can all have an ENORMOUS effect on sensitivity.

Aside from a few minor diferences, like a micrometer reading, they are basically the all the same rods. Premere, triumph, eyecon, all use the same graphite count. So that makes the sensitivity the same, and the action feels the same to. An eyecon in 6'6" will have different tapers, wall thickness, blank diameters than an eyecon in 7'. When holding the rods and even just looking at them next to each other. The thickness of the blanks, wall thickness, and tapers are the same when comparing a 6'6" M to a 6'6" M and a 7' M to a 7' M in all 3 types. Eyecon next to a triumph, and eyecon next to a premere. Exact same rods. All the guy is saying is you don't have to spend $130 when you can get the same rod for $70 if you go with a triumph. St.Crois is just charging you more money for a cool spilt handle. Thats all. Anyone can walk into a store and hold the rods next to eachother and plainly see that (and feel that). Also, an IM6 rod does not have the same amount of sensitivity as a IM10 rod. So yes. You CAN tell how sensitive a rod is by the IM count for gods sake. You don't need to bring a micrometer to the store with you. And you don't have to be a self proclaimed rod builder to know the more graphite the more feel a rod will have. Either you have guys have no clue about graphite rods or your willing to try and mislead people because you just want to argue with someone. The rods are the same and more graphite means more sensitivity. Both statements are true. Theres nothing about those statements thats even debatable... Move on already!

AD,I was going to suggest that some one put a micrometer on the blank.Nothing like actually measuring something rather then just arguing about it.You are right there so much more to a rod then how much graphite or the type of graphite in a rod.

Thanx for playing? SC's website says they're both SCII graphite. It is not arguable that they have different tapers, wall thickness, blank diameters. They do. It is a fact. I've had them on a micrometer so I know. I can start with some 33 mil prepreg and by adjusting the mandrels used, the shape in which the patterns are shaped pre baking and the scrim and reinforcements and make millions of blanks, no two the same. Of course I just work in carbon tubular fabrication and build my own rods on the side using blanks from many manufacturers, I don't know nearly as much as someone who has read articles and believes sensitivity can be measured by an IM or modulus rating, and that blanks are the same because their IM or modulus rating is the same.

I'd like to apologize to Tyler and everyone who used the rod and posted a review. In addition to the 63MXF I've also used the 10'6" Eyecon trolling rod and was very impressed with the sensitivity. With lead core in 40' of water I could feel my bait working and could tell when I was over mud or sand or gravel.

Since when does MORE graphite make a rod more sensitive? That statement that it does is absolutely false. LESS graphite makes a rod more sensitive. The higher modulus the material the stiffer it is therefore the rodbuilder needs LESS to achieve the desired action. Not more. The Triumph and Eyecon both use SCII graphite. That is the only thing they have in common. They are built on different mandrels with different tapers, wall thickness is different, Blank diameters from butt to tip are different. You read the article with G. Loomis? Did you not comprehend that?

Peter, No where in your rambling, incoherent, response did you come close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. We are all dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul. You weren't an engineer for Fig Rig, were you?

Graphite content has to do with sensitivity, strength, and weight of a rod. Croix has been using SCII graphite (their IM gadge if you will, to keep it simple) for 20 years. The amount of graphite, and therefore the amount of sensitivity, strength, weight, diameter of the blank, etc. has not changed in that 20 years. Its the same in the Triumph (made in china) and the premere. Premere is the exact same rod as a triumph only made in Wisconsin, with a slight change in the eyelets material and therefore .1oz lighter, and just cost more. The Mojo Bass and also the eyecon are the Exact same rod blank as the premere and triumph. SCII, Fuji handle and a slight change again in the fuji eyelets aside. The meat and pototoes of the rods are EXACTLY the same. IM ratings change from mfgr-mfgr. Its simply a 'gadge' or measurement of the amount of graphite used 'by THAT mfgr', and not consistant from one mfgr to the next. Same goes for 'action'. The 'glue' if you will that binds the graphite also is different from mfgr-mfgr. Also the entire mfgring process. There are actually only a hand full of rod blank mfgrs. The 'specs' or IM gadge/action etc. is specified by the company that contracts with them to build 'their brand' of rods. IM9 and IM10 are relatively new in the last few years. That means more graphite, more sensitivity, and more strength in a lighter rod. The more graphite, the stiffer the rod as well. And therefore the more 'britle' (easier to break under shock pressure) the rod is. Gander IM7 7' ML rods have far more flex/action/speed than the same 7' ML rods in IM9 or IM10. IM7 therefore is far more forgiving then IM10 but, less sensitive. There is a trade off. The mfgr of their rods (or more accurately, ganders specs) does not make adjustments for this (so called) action. Simply, the more graphite, the stiffer the rod, and the stiffer the 'action' (less whip/flex). Rather than adding more graphite, and keeping the same flex/action/speed as compared to the IM7 rod. And yes, I know what 'action' and speed is also. No need to be a jerk about that 'word' either. In conclusion then. Croix is using the 'same' graphite (amount, build process) they have been using for 20 years. Its the same in the Triumph, as it is in the Premere, the Mojo bass and the Eyecon (all SCII graphite). That means, a $60 Triumph is the Exact same rod as a $130 Eyecon. A slight change in fuji handles and eyelets is about all you pay for. The 'blanks' are Exactly the same. Other mfgrs have used technology/binding processes/glue and increased the amount of graphite, and therefore the amount of sensitivity, strength, reduced the weight, and diameter of the rod blanks. They also use technology to reduce the 'cost' of mfgring those rods. This is then passed on to the consumer. Croix on the other hand, just changes the name of a rod and charges more money, catching fisherman who don't know the difference! Its like just changing an IM7 graphite rods name, and charging more because one says "Eyecon" and one says "Triumph". No matter what IM rating from one mfgr to the next. There is more graphite in the IM8, IM9, IM10 rods respectively. Croix has not changed. There all the same SCII rod blank! A 6'6" rod is not just "cut off" to make a 6'3" rod. The length of a rod is made from start to finnish in one process.