Wisconsin NRB & DNR, Not Political, TRUST ME!!!!!!
Honestly, I'm not sure there was a point for LL to miss. Random ramblings of Ere's ire does not a point make.
Agree to disagree.
I took a position on water quality issues and explained it defended it that is what you requested but you don't like my educated position that is backed up with facts and evidence. I did what you wanted and you aren't happy with it. You thought I only know hunting issues which was an inaccurate assumtion. I got your point regarding trust and two bodies working together. Long as I can remember their has always been disagreements and distrust between the NRB and DNR. The only difference now is DNR is stomping their feet louder now because they have been used to getting their way for quite awhile with no push back and accountability to anyone including the NRB. Now they are being asked to justify their position on a lot of issues and the DNR can't, they don't like it.
And once again Littleluck, lots of fluff and bluster but missing the point.
I know pretty much about water quality and decent amount about PFAS. Every few years there is a new latest and greatest parameter that is a carcinogen and is better than other parameters at determining groundwater contamination around industrial sites, agriculture, landfills, etc. PCBs were big for awhile and dioxins and furans, pesticides, then p-dioane,etc now PFAS. Talking to regulators and scientists, consultants etc there aren't really approved methods yet for PFAS or scientific consensus what method is/should be approved/best, what level is carcinogenic or harmful?. PFAS are everywhere and were used in quite of few things.. What might be background or atmospheric levels not attributed to a local source like fire retardant manufacturer? Lot of unanswered questions. Yet people want to test for it with methods not approved yet, throw limits out there. Possibly false positives or unconfident unquantifiable levels. We are talking very low levels parts per trillion parts per quadrillion. People are trying to act before the science has been approved/developed and peer reviewed. Putting cart ahead of horse which is not sound science. Another question is when you find PFAS what are you going to do? Dig up all the soil? Then what where do you put it? I am not aware of any true remediation for it. PFAS are likely in wastewater in treatment plants. Do you not allow them to treat or discharge?. I am pretty versed about other things other than just deer hunting in Wisconsin regarding natural resource issues. Unfortunately lots of stuff in everyday life when exposed to enough of it can kill you or affect health. But science and regulatory limits that are meaningful take time and real science to develop.
Littleluck, try making a statement or take a position on a topic without throwing out all your weak attempts at attacking anothers view. The DNR certainly is not without fault and the NRB is far from fault as well. My opinion is that it is a poor way of building any trust between two governing bodies when one side refuses the will of the voters or the system that they try and defend. I have zero respect for the chair of the NRB and will use the crossbow subject as an example. Prehn and Hilgenberg are rubber stamps for Kaz. The boards role in the water quality study and its demise is another example of opposing groups failing to work for the folks in this state because of an agenda. If you liking drinking water contaminated with PFAS sit down with me sometime and I'll discuss with you my personal experience and long-term exposure. You see the DNR and the NRB have many more pressing issues than just the deer hunt, but I get it, many like you fail to see the big picture, and there isnt a big ol tree hugger behind every tree. Keep bringing your tired statements I got all the time in the world.
Leechster, I disagree. I went back and looked at all of the posts on this thread. You could'nt be more wrong on your majority comment. Dealing with the way you two respond to comments is like the old days when Rancid used to spread his manure on this site. Keep up the good work. Happy fourth of July.
Some people just don't like other's opinions based on factual/truthful information that are how things are in reality. They like their alternate reality agenda. They often can't defend their opinions, get frustrated.
I am questioning little lucks opinion, and quite frankly I could give a rip what you think as well. I've been here a long time and have gotten along quite well. I have trouble dealing with people who only go with a nuclear style of getting their opinions across. Have a nice day.
Checks and balances???? Did you really just write that. Unbelievable.
I guess some people are ok with a lot of empty suits on NRB who are out of touch with what is happening with Wisconsin outdoors. Ok with NRB just saying yes to all the failed policies of the DNR. This is exactly what the DNR wants so they have no checks and balances or nobody to push back against their incompetence. People need to understand the NRBs role to set policies for the DNR and keep them in check so resources like the deer herd aren't devastated. Certain people and groups want hunting and fishing to end as we know them in this state. They don't like these things or the people who enjoy them nor do they understand the concepts. I wish people would understand the NRB in many ways is the last line of defense to represent Wisconsin outdoorsman and keep their traditions alive and well.