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NRB overruled CDAC recommendations

6/28/20 @ 10:58 AM
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madforlabs
User since 12/20/12

The 2020 deer season(s) structure was recently announced. Noteworthy is the fact that the Natural Resources Board led by Kaz (as usual) chose to overturn 11 County CDAC management recommendations. Most of these dealt with antlerless harvest recommendations in Northern counties. 

Irrespective of how one feels about the direction CDAC or NRB have gone with these specific management decisions, seems to me that any legitimacy the CDAC had has just gone out the window. Why invest volunteer effort in local testimony,  committee membership or any other efforts for that matter when Kaz and crew continue to make capricious and (often) unscientific management decisions. 

Hard to believe but Wisconsin appears to be reaching new lows in deer management decision making. 

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TODAY @ 10:47 AM
oldhunter
User since 2/28/13

Geez Luise guys, don't get your undies all knotted up.  The great "KAZ" will make everything perfect for all hunters.        Trust Him!

TODAY @ 10:11 AM
Farnorthbadger
User since 12/7/13

Then why are CDAC CC vice chairs not voting up north and why are chairs only voting as a tie breaker up north ? Can any of the bright minds here answer that ? Little luck or Beer ? You both are heavily involved in CDACs? 

TODAY @ 9:41 AM
robertwhite
User since 3/18/08

Also, as long as we're looking up definitions:

"Advisory":

adjective: advisory

  1. having or consisting in the power to make recommendations but not to take action enforcing them


TODAY @ 9:36 AM
robertwhite
User since 3/18/08

"The vice chair cannot vote . The chair only gets a vote in case of a tie ."

Nope, you're wrong.  Copied directly from the CDAC Governance document on the DNR webpage, detailing the roles of the Chair and Vice-chair:

"The chair may choose to make motions, participate in discussions, vote on all issues, and when choosing to vote, customarily votes last. The chairs vote can impact the outcome of a vote in one of two ways:
• In the event of a tie: the chair can vote in favor of the motion. Without that vote the motion will fail. 

• If the motion is going to pass by one vote, the chair can vote against the motion and the motion will fail with a tie."

"The CDAC alternate chair is responsible for taking notes to create a complete set of minutes and recommendations for each meeting and presiding over the meeting in the absence of the chair.
1. The alternate chair has all the rights of a member of the council including voting rights."

Seems like the CC has some pretty good power in my opinion.

TODAY @ 8:18 AM
Farnorthbadger
User since 12/7/13

The vice chair cannot vote . The chair only gets a vote in case of a tie . The CDACs are set up to be a 5-3 slam dunk always lowering Wisconsin deer populations. There’s a clear reason Wisconsin had one of its worst deer seasons in a generation last year . It wasn’t weather or a late start date either . It was rigged CDACs statewide lowering deer populations after horrific winters using fake WDNR deer population estimates.  If the Conservation Congress chair and vice chair were given votes Wisconsin hunters would have equal representation and the NRB wouldn’t have to get involved .

7/2/20 @ 2:21 PM
robertwhite
User since 3/18/08

Actually, I think the vice chair DOES get a vote.  At least, the one in my county voted on all recommendations.  

7/1/20 @ 2:30 PM
Wicasa
Wicasa
User since 11/11/15

Nah.  I just think some of you guys invest way too much emotional energy into this whole deer hunting thing, and may have a pretty funky set of priorities.  

If that speaks volumes, I’m ok with it.   

7/1/20 @ 12:24 PM
LittleLuck
User since 2/16/17

Wicasa,

Seems like you don't think having a reasonable deer population or a decent deer hunting experience is at all important. I guess you must not realize the importance to the economy to this state. Or the tradition, passion, learning, outdoor experience of deer hunters of this state going back more than a century. Many people in this state care about it and don't want to see it lost. Maybe you just want everyone including kids to sit on their cell phones and computers. Sorry it isn't just about 50 pounds of venison or a trophy on the wall. Your comments speak volumes.




7/1/20 @ 10:39 AM
Wicasa
Wicasa
User since 11/11/15

Wow!  Cool!  Reading this thread is awesome.  It has all the intrigue of a great spy novel and the deep state boogeymen combined.  Keep up the good work gentlemen     

And it’s all over deer and deer hunting -  50 pounds of venison (if you’re lucky) and some over priced mount (if you’re luckier)    

7/1/20 @ 8:56 AM
Farnorthbadger
User since 12/7/13

Gut management decisions to override rigged  elections Lab? After listening to the $#/Tshow our last CDAC meeting was I had just simply resigned myself to killing every last deer I saw If I even hunted again . The forestry interests want and expect zero deer on the landscape and will do almost anything to get there.Up to and including using threats of bigger quotas of antlerless for private corporate interests if CDAC recommendations weren’t deemed high enough. The rigged CDACs need to be leveled or Wisconsin will lose an entire generation of hunters which might ultimately be the end game for the people we pay to manage our wildlife. Setting reasonable conservative antlerless quotas isn’t rocket science if you take the extreme politics and dollars out of the equation . In fact most states simply hire trained professionals to do just that and fire the ones that can’t or won’t . 

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