I see the tribes have declared they are going to spear the Minoqua chain guess 10 years of closure to rebuild the population and banning everyone else from keeping any was just a waste.
Wisconsin Fishing Discussion
SPEARING MINOQUA CHAIN
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JC a couple of your points are addressed with the ceded territory. It's land the US acquired but allowed native Americans to retain hunting and fishing privileges. It is separate from reservation lands.
Right, wrong, or indifferent. That's the explanation for your points 2 and 4.
Right, wrong, or indifferent. That's the explanation for your points 2 and 4.
Couple of my viewpoints:
1) Obviously the safe harvest - something wrong with those numbers - tribal or nontribal....doesn't matter. Something is missing.
2) I have no problem with the tribes spearing their reservation waters if the water falls entirely within their reservation. Even though I have problems with that at least it is easier to understand.
3) I have a problem with our license dollars going to tribes to stock walleyes ONLY into reservation waters when spearing occurs outside of those waters.
4) No place in any treaty does it state that tribes are promised 100% of the available harvest. The treaties basically just preserve them the right to hunt and fish....the same as everyone in Wisconsin. Why do rules not apply to tribe members outside of the reservation just like everyone else?
5) Sharing the resource...spearing vs. fishing. If spearing declares half the safe harvest and if the intention is to share the resource 50/50, then tribes should not be allowed to fish for walleye the remaining 11+ months of the year.
1) Obviously the safe harvest - something wrong with those numbers - tribal or nontribal....doesn't matter. Something is missing.
2) I have no problem with the tribes spearing their reservation waters if the water falls entirely within their reservation. Even though I have problems with that at least it is easier to understand.
3) I have a problem with our license dollars going to tribes to stock walleyes ONLY into reservation waters when spearing occurs outside of those waters.
4) No place in any treaty does it state that tribes are promised 100% of the available harvest. The treaties basically just preserve them the right to hunt and fish....the same as everyone in Wisconsin. Why do rules not apply to tribe members outside of the reservation just like everyone else?
5) Sharing the resource...spearing vs. fishing. If spearing declares half the safe harvest and if the intention is to share the resource 50/50, then tribes should not be allowed to fish for walleye the remaining 11+ months of the year.
Fin Bender, I didn't say anything that contradicted anything you mentioned.
The tribes set their own quota and reports their harvest, then if there is anything left the hook and lines anglers get the remainder of the overall quota if there is any. The tribes declare their own quota and can take 100% of the allowable harvest if they choose, thanks for confirming that!
Tell me what I said was "head spinning" wrong anywhere in my post.
The tribes set their own quota and reports their harvest, then if there is anything left the hook and lines anglers get the remainder of the overall quota if there is any. The tribes declare their own quota and can take 100% of the allowable harvest if they choose, thanks for confirming that!
Tell me what I said was "head spinning" wrong anywhere in my post.
Fish Hounds comments are so incorrect and false it makes my brain hurt. No matter what side of this issue you're on, or even if you're neutral, please take the time to learn some basic facts about it.
Here's a start for FH: the safe harvest isn't determined just for Wi sportsmen, or the tribes, it's done for both. It's determined by a state/GLFWC collaboration. Biologists who work for the state and tribes both contribute. This level can not be exceeded by any party, by federal court order.
Secondly, as ruled by the federal court approx. 30 years ago, the tribes can take up to 100% of the safe harvest of walleye and musky, leaving nothing for Wi sportsmen. Believe it or not Tom Maulson used to advocate that the tribes achieve this, maybe he still does. Hate this or not, it's the law.
I could go on with interesting facts and observations, but that's all for now. And BTW, I'm not pro or anti native spearing, it's just something that exists and will not be going away in my lifetime.
Here's a start for FH: the safe harvest isn't determined just for Wi sportsmen, or the tribes, it's done for both. It's determined by a state/GLFWC collaboration. Biologists who work for the state and tribes both contribute. This level can not be exceeded by any party, by federal court order.
Secondly, as ruled by the federal court approx. 30 years ago, the tribes can take up to 100% of the safe harvest of walleye and musky, leaving nothing for Wi sportsmen. Believe it or not Tom Maulson used to advocate that the tribes achieve this, maybe he still does. Hate this or not, it's the law.
I could go on with interesting facts and observations, but that's all for now. And BTW, I'm not pro or anti native spearing, it's just something that exists and will not be going away in my lifetime.
Fishound- I agree, but be sure they transport their canoes and torches with horses and/or wagons, not 4wd trucks, use homemade fillet knives, not electric and cut some ice out of the lakes to supply their ice houses to store all their fish. Times have changed and it's time for the treaty's to change to reflect the times we currently live in. Other policies change, no reason these can't change as well.
I personally don't care how the walleyes are legally harvested...speared, net, setline, rod and reel. Or when, spring or fall. Or with what technology. Dead fish is a dead fish.
I'm more concerned with the overall total harvest number. Clearly that number needs to be reduced by both tribal and non-tribal.
I'm more concerned with the overall total harvest number. Clearly that number needs to be reduced by both tribal and non-tribal.
The six Chippewa tribes of Wisconsin are legally able to harvest walleyes using a variety of high-efficiency methods, but spring spearing is the most frequently used method. In spring, each tribe declares how many walleyes and muskellunge they intend to harvest from each lake. Harvest begins shortly after ice-out, with nightly fishing permits issued to individual tribal spearers.
They self impose a harvest limit, not nearly the same thing. This is a copy and paste directly from the WDNR website.
They self impose a harvest limit, not nearly the same thing. This is a copy and paste directly from the WDNR website.
The only double standard is they are allowed to spear and we are not, but they quotas/harvest caps. The problem is technology has made it easier for them to reach the quotas and technology has allowed fishermen to locate and catch fish even when populations are low. Combined that leads to over harvesting.
Carpio, therein lies the problem, they aren't spearing like they did 100+ years ago, anymore than we are fishing like we did 100+ years ago. Both cultures have taken advantage of modern technology whether its 1,000,000 candle power spotlights or Garmin Panoptix. Technology has made us much better at harvesting fish, to the point that we are overharvesting many of the fisheries.
In theory I would say this is correct, however why the double standard?
- All but the Native cultures have mechanisms adjusted to fit the current harvest capabilities.
- All cultures, other than Native, have bag limits and seasons to control the harvest. Natives get to use all the technology without any control of harvest caps and do it during the Walleyes most vulnerable time, the spring spawn.
I would propose this then...... let them hop in their canoes, with their fiery torches, and spear as many Walleye as they can for one season. That would then be the future season quota. Following years they can use all the technology they want to spear fish up until that quota is reached to make it faster and more efficient. If at any time they think the quota needs to be changed, do a season as their ancestors had again and the quota will be adjusted to that amount for future seasons.
In theory I would say this is correct, however why the double standard?
- All but the Native cultures have mechanisms adjusted to fit the current harvest capabilities.
- All cultures, other than Native, have bag limits and seasons to control the harvest. Natives get to use all the technology without any control of harvest caps and do it during the Walleyes most vulnerable time, the spring spawn.
I would propose this then...... let them hop in their canoes, with their fiery torches, and spear as many Walleye as they can for one season. That would then be the future season quota. Following years they can use all the technology they want to spear fish up until that quota is reached to make it faster and more efficient. If at any time they think the quota needs to be changed, do a season as their ancestors had again and the quota will be adjusted to that amount for future seasons.
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