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2/11/20 @ 5:37 AM
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jkb
User since 6/25/02

I am proposing two rule changes during the spring hearings after extensive talks with several local bait shop owners.  There is extreme concern over pan fish limits by these men and I agree,  Right now it is difficult to find a lake in east central Wisconsin where you can go and catch quality pan fish on a consistent basis.  I have watched the total collapse of pan fish fisheries on Fox Lake and Lake Emily and despite the protests of a vocal few that have claimed everything from pelican diets to water lice infestations and protest because 25/10 limits don't provide them enough fish for a meal, I am going through with this proposal.  I am doing it for the future of the resource.  I want the kids I taught to be able to catch decent pan fish in the wonderful lakes we have in east central Wisconsin.  As technology improves, even the novice fisherman can become an effective fisherman that can easily harvest too many pan fish.  I have also been given the excuse that local businesses will suffer as a result of these proposals but I contend that businesses are struggling now as few fisherman are venturing to this area to pan fish any more because of the lack of productive lakes.

These two proposals are aimed at improving the pan fish populations and giving anglers an opportunity to harvest smaller northern pike.  Large game fish can be contaminated by mercury and heavy metals in Wisconsin.  All large game fish are under a mercury warning in Wisconsin.  Here are the proposals.  Lake Emily is not included as the DNR already has oked a pan fish restriction and a reduction in the pike size limit.

Pan fish bag limit decrease proposaI

We are proposing a reduction in the allowable bag limit of pan fish from the current limit of 25 to the 25/10 limits on some lakes in Wisconsin.  There are currently no lakes in the three counties we wish to decrease the numbers in that have a reduced bag limit.  This proposal applies to lakes that have historically produced large panfish but due to over harvest have had the numbers drastically reduced.  These lakes see a lot of pressure on the resource especially during the ice fishing season. This proposal aligns with the goals set for forth by the Pan fish Management Team on the 10 year Strategic Plan For Managing Wisconsin’s Pan fish.  I have received support from Travis Motl, Dodge county fisheries biologist,  and Dave Bartz, Green Lake and Marquette county fisheries biologist on these proposals.

The counties and lakes included in the proposal are: Dodge County-Fox Lake.  Green Lake County- Big Green Lake, Grand Lake (Kingston Mill Pond), Little Green Lake, Big and Little Twin Lake, and Spring Lake. Marquette County- Buffalo Lake , Montello Lake, and Lake Puckaway.

Northern slot proposal

I am proposing a reduction in the size limit of northern pike from the 26” and 32” size limits on Kingston Mill Pond (Grand Lake) in Green Lake County and Fox Lake (Dodge County) respectively.  I am proposing a 3 fish limit with 2 fish limit between 20-26” and a 1 over 36”.  Every large old fish in Wisconsin is under a mercury advisory.  The older they are , the greater the chance of having high levels of mercury in them.  Reducing the population of northern pike would relieve some pressure on the prey fish populations and allow more growth of the remaining pike.  This proposal has received approval from Greg Sass, lead fisheries biologist for the state of Wisconsin, Travis Motl, Dodge county fisheries biologist and Dave Bartz, Green Lake county fisheries biologist.


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TODAY @ 7:23 PM
CrawlerHarness
User since 10/10/17

I would just prefer simpler.  For example.....tell me when the Rock River walleye season is open?  It gets a little confusing understanding what is allowed and what isn't in Wisconsin.  


For those who are familiar with bodies of water.....great.  For those who like to try new bodies of water.....it is just too confusing.   

TODAY @ 10:09 AM
Fin Bender
User since 9/16/11

I'd suggest a simple solution. Use your phone to go to the DNR website and download the PDF file of the fishing regulations. Then save it on your phone for off-line use. That makes it super easy to access the information off-line while outdoors. No internet (I think you meant to say cellular data) needed.

Link to full fishing regulations

TODAY @ 7:48 AM
SnakeSter
SnakeSter
MEMBER since 7/9/12

If they can’t figure it out it’s on them. No sympathy whatsoeve.

TODAY @ 7:21 AM
jkb
User since 6/25/02

Not necessarily Snake,

There are 99 lakes with special regulations in Vilas county alone.  I have fished over 100 lakes in Vilas and Oneida county and sometimes fish 3 lakes in one day.  As you should know Internet service is terrible during times with high volume which can be from Memorial Day until Labor Day and that is with the best service available.  If you have US Cellular you will get virtually no service so unless you print out and laminate a list of lakes and the special regulations you could easily not know the regs.

TODAY @ 6:37 AM
SnakeSter
SnakeSter
MEMBER since 7/9/12

Ceded territory has all sorts of regs. Just read the specific regs for the lake before you go fishing. Anyone who complains that they didn’t know, doesn’t care. Most lakes there have special regs and most are different. Our lake has different rules than last year.

TODAY @ 6:28 AM
jkb
User since 6/25/02

Crawler harness, I looked back on your post on multiple regulations by county.  You should see the different regulations on Vilas and Oneida county lakes.  It seems like they have 8 different size regulations on just walleyes for those lakes.  They are posted at lake landings until someone rips them down,  Then it is up to you to get a cell signal to look it up online which can be difficult.

2/24/20 @ 6:37 AM
jkb
User since 6/25/02

There are many factors that lead to fish mortality after release.  The depth the fish is brought up from can affect the fish as most fish except the salmonoids of which trout and whitefish belong will die due to pressure differences which cause the air bladder to blow up.  The salmonoids have a vented swim bladder and can "burp" air to equalize pressure. 

Because of a lower metabolism and usually higher oxygen content , cold water results in higher percentage of successful releases.  Many muskie fisherman stop fishing for muskies once water temps reach 80 as low oxygen levels and higher temps result in lactic acid build up and lower successful releases.

Length of battle on rod and reel also increase lactic acid build up and result in lower survival rate but the two most important aspects of catch and release are time out of the water and hook location.  That is why being prepared with forceps or pliers is most important.  The more experience you have unhooking fish the better the chance of survival.  I've seen fish with ripped gills that have survived but that is the exception rather than the rule.  There is conflicting research on whether to cut the line on throat hooked fish or try to remove the hook.  Removing the hook from a throat hooked fish results in a lot of trauma but keeping it in the throat prevents the fish from swallowing food.

Here is a good link for removing gut hooked fish.

https://www.in-fisherman.com/editorial/through-the-gill-hook-removal/155024


2/23/20 @ 9:51 PM
CrawlerHarness
User since 10/10/17

jkb, isn't it true that mortality is much lower in cold water than in warm water?  So maybe like 10-15% in cold water on average, and then like 25-50% in the summer.  

2/23/20 @ 10:15 AM
SnakeSter
SnakeSter
MEMBER since 7/9/12

I would have loved to have been there! What a pike fest! Lol

You’re right that a lot of anglers could use better Un-Hooking skills. If you’re not eating it, take good care of it. I agree 100%. 

2/23/20 @ 1:03 AM
jkb
User since 6/25/02

We caught 150 pike on one day,  Released 149 .  I have taught my kids to be prepared with forceps and explain how to remove hooks from fish without jaw spreaders and how to remove deeply hooked fish by going in from the side between the gills.  90% of the fish we catch are in the lips or just inside the mouth.  We get to the flag immediately and set when the fish is moving away which results in most hooks in the side of the mouth.

I have never commented on hook mortality for pike.  I have commented on using quick strike rigs rather than swedish hooks in the past.

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