Used to see buck rubs all over the place, no so much anymore. The rubs have been replaced with areas where the wolfs ate their last meal. Beaten down areas, plenty of tracks in and out, and a bit of blood and bone left...
Also, Wolfs can be fairly vocal in the evenings... Kind of creeps the kids out in the tent...
Far from anything scientific, but definitely a different landscape than it has been over the last 30 years...
I don't deer hunt anymore either but... I do bird hunt and have noticed in recent years, I do see less deer than I used to grouse hunting, particularly further north. For what that's worth anyway. I've heard a lot of guys say the same thing. Whether that's solely the wolves eating deer or not, I don't know but there sure seems to be less deer out there.
Northwoods- I agree that hunters kill more deer than all other sources combined i.e. Wolfs, Winter kill, bears, etc...
That said, there has been exceedingly few antlerless tags issued for the Northern zones. Given the low doe harvest by hunters, why has the deer herd not rebounded? Harsh winters? No doubt that comes into play, but so does the number of wolves. All factors combined, we have less deer.
I'm not out to demonize the Wolf, but I have been hunting Vilas County since I was a boy, and the current deer herd is as small as I've ever seen it. I truly see more Wolf sign in the woods than Deer sign - that certainly says something about the current population of both. Just looking for a little bit of balance and an honest evaluation of both the deer herd, and the Wolf herd.
We are being told that the Wolf population is low, and the deer population is fine. For me, my time in the woods tells me different. Sure there are still deer to be had, you do have to put your time in though. My point is, in Vilas County I'm fairly confident that I could fill a Wolf tag quicker than a deer tag.
Lastly, I'm not complaining, just offering my perspective based on what I have seen in the woods...
i guess a lot of folks on here don't care much for conservation. pretty sad we don't care about wildlife in other states. i guess all some care about is the almight whitetail....folks must watch too much boner collector
as far as wolves killing all the deer, please read the deer mortality study. wolves definitely killed deer but there were many other things that killed deer at much higher rates, like hunters. wolves are hardly the only cause of the low deer populations (if you can even call them low).
i'll say it again, the days of wisconsin being a deer game farm with an unsustainable deer herd are over, better get used to it
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Then tells us not to worry about WI whitetail numbers and says we should be more worried about Moose and Sharptail in his home state.
1. the north american model of wildlife conservation states that wildlife is held in the public trust and there is a democratic rule of law. thus, all people in this country "own" the wildlife. one group does not "own" wildlife more than any other.
2. the survey was sent to substantially more people in the northern part of the state (wolf territory) than the south. say what you want but the survey was unbiased.
3. contrary to popular belief the dnr has no hidden agenda on wolves. all the head folks at the dnr are political appointees. prior to being appointed dnr secretary by walker cathy stepp had never bought a deer hunting license.
4. basically at the end of your statement you are condoning, even encouraging poaching. keep in mind the majority of the public does not hunt, but approve of hunting. if we start poaching a bunch of wolves we will see the pendelum swing to most being against hunting.
i love hunting deer and wish there were more around, but this constant uproar by hunters about wolves is getting old. wolves aren't the problem. the problem is us, the habitat, and 2 hard winters. at some point we as deer hunters need to grow up and get over the anti wolf rhetoric.
i get a kick out of hunters constantly whining about whitetail deer when there are species that are in REAL trouble that you never hear anything about such as sharptail grouse and moose in the boundary waters