Here is some common sense talk from Steve
I want to speak to a point that was brought up. Ego of hunters. I've met many really good dudes in my time. I've also met some real D-bags.
There is no right or wrong way to hunt. whether you kill the first thing that walks out or wait all year for the one you are going to put on the wall.
I've heard people say "elitist bowhunter". Why would you call me that? Is it because I choose to get a deer close and kill it on their terms and not blast it at 300 yards? Why am I labeled a horn hunter and looked down on? Isn't it good that I let 12 different bucks a year get older knowing that the neighbors will kill at least half of them?
Many can talk smack about Elitest bow hunters or horn hunters or whatever. People talk the same crap about Tournament fisherman yet those guys rarely keep a fish. So to me, trophy hunters as many call it, really are the most conservative people in the woods.
So let me pose this question for all the "can't eat the horns guys". If you can't eat the horns, why shoot a 1 or 2 year old buck? So now a 4.5 year old buck walks out, you can't tell me you ain't gonna shoot! You also can't tell me that you won't have your picture all over facebook and a mass text to everyone in your phone.
My point is, EVERYONE wants to kill a big buck. It's a fact whether their pride will let them admit it or not. Some just can't control themselves in the woods. They want to be a killer so the first animal gets an arrow.
As far as ego and all the shows and scoring of racks and inches talk. I'm not into that. I don't support shows, I don't make hunting a competition like the drury shows that pair people up and compete. That's hogwash...but that's what hunting has become. An inches game. I don't care about inches of rack, i'm concerned about shooting a old mature wise buck. I'll kill a mature buck that has a broken tine or even half rack. The inches game is way out of hand.
If you follow any of my posts especially last year I continually talked about how we slaughtered the herd from 2000-2005ish and took all the blame!! We as a deer camp have learned are lessons and we no longer shoot many does if any at all!! We blamed ourselves took responsibility and vowed to never repeat the past! We are finally(10+ years later) starting to see deer like the 90's again!! In our camp the future looks great because we will never forget the past and we learned are lesson!! Our 10-12 year olds might take the first doe off our land in over 10 years but that's it! Anyway enough rambling-- it's almost go time! I will be in stand by 4:20 am Saturday morning!! Good luck to all my bow hunting blood brothers-- Casedog
Again a great lesson for the WDNR could be learned right here, and all of us too. Hunt how you enjoy hunting. Don't worry about how others hunt if it's within the law. Keep it ethical and enjoy it whether it's bait and a spike or years chasing huge horn. Still hunting or drives,bait or food plots, sitting a trail. What we should ALL be concerned with is holding our WDNR employees feet to the fire demanding competent wildlife management. It's a good part of the reason they constantly seem to promote conflict between hunters in Wisconsin. The smoke screen of chaos let them get away with demolishing the deer herd for 15 years and also inexcusable predator management. Baiting and CWD won't make the sky fall in Wisconsin ,but rogue WDNR employees nearly did.
I'm not sure exactly how many bow hunters there are now but I know it's north of 200,000 and it's a big state but the way the population of people and deer are scattered from all four corners to the middle heart and soul of this great whitetail state is were I will argue that most of the problems and complaints are from! From my little rose colored glasses I see and hear a lot of the same things that the few(( out of 200,000+ bow hunters)) folks on this thread are spewing about and I'm 20 miles south of the exact center of the state ((Pittsville according to there sign on hwy 80)). From all my conversations with all the people I know who hunt across the state-it seems there are pockets of total different goals- the southwest is part of the famous golden triangle for horn porn and the couple guys I know hunt there all seem to really enjoy shooting there monsters and talk in inches! The buddies up in the north east are happy to see a deer let alone get one! My in laws in waupaca have been in fist fights over hunting and my camp in Juneau kind of fog caught up in the horn porn for a while but now where back more like the northern folk! Ultimately I believe most of us 200,000+ bow hunters are the real hunters and we have are differences but ultimately we are the ones who should stick tight together!! Best of luck to all as I will be in favorite public oak tree come Saturday even if it reaches 90 degrees!! I hunt for the hunt and not the deer! Its mind cleansing season in a matter of hours!! Can't wait- Casedog
Actually horn hunting = horn hunting. You are likely shooting more bucks than me and a higher ratio of your total killed deer are likely bucks, yet I'll be labeled a horn hunter. I'm starting out Saturday targeting does, but still I'll be called a horn hunter.
As for egos, are you really going to argue that the guy who eats tags 3 out of 4 years waiting for something nice to come through has an ego problem, but that the guy who bangs down 1 or 2 small bucks every single year so he can tell everyone "I got my buck" doesn't have an ego problem? Egos are completely independant of hunting choices. There are big egos in every crowd, whether you want to admit it or not.
Horn hunting=trophy hunting. I'm not filling the freezer with does, but I do enjoy shooting deer and eating them. I'm not holding out for a mature deer, more power to the guys that do. I'm not helping their chances of shooting a mature buck and I'm okay with that.
Somehow in past decade we went from celebrating the hunt and kill to how many inches does your deer tape out to. That's the problem with hunting. Having access to food plots/private land somehow makes everyone an expert hunter. Just read this thread. I never claimed to be anything other than a lazy hunter-, but again there's nothing wrong with that and a lot of people are in the same boat as me.
I understand some enjoy the challenge of targeting mature bucks, but for the most part it's all about the horn porn and egos.
"Not my thing, neither is horn hunting"
Sorry to burst your bubble, but banging down fork horns is horn hunting. Small horns, but horn hunting regardless.
publiclandhunter, your full of it.
JC- I agree with you. I know several tools that won't shoot doe and run to public for gun. I'm right there with you. Save your deer and shoot up a spot you don't care about. Those guys need a kick to the nuts. I'm on a every 5 year for a mature buck. It's not easy. I'm mainly on private...but it still not easy. lot's of knobs on surrounding properties. Just cause they own private doesn't mean they have any clue on how to hunt or kill deer. They do shoot em up come gun season though. absolute free for all. put a bow in their hands and get one close, they aren't too successful