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that don't involve the Packers? well, no vikings, beers, lions or colts talk either since there are threads for those teams also. as far as Leinart holding out, or any other rookie for that matter, I totally disagree. what a bunch of bunk, these guys have never even stepped foot on a professional field and they are suddenly in position to dictate what they are worth? It'd be one thing if he was offered a 500,000 contract, that obviously isn't the case. get in there, shut up, SHOW SOMETHING, and then talk about money AFTER you've earned it. oh, and I'm mildly amused by seeing TO riding the exercise bike instead of practicing! haha

Yes I would agree Zman, its the smart move for the franchise, I was making the comments more for JF since he got blindsided by the Bears during his tenure.  Anyhow hopefully he gets a chance to shine and get a decent contract after this season

That’s pretty much expected considering everything surrounding the situation in Pittsburgh. The 5th year money would be equivalent to a starting quarterback’s deal. Fields is not their starter (as of now) and giving him that money wouldn’t be in the best interest for the team. For the Steelers, this is just a one year rental and if he works out they can resign him or let him walk away in free agency 

Hope this isnt the case for Fields, maybe Wilson get benched and JF gets a chance to shine

Getting pretty excited for the Draft on Thursday.  Next year it will be crazy when it's here in Green Bay!

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Pretty slick for 25lbs! 

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Yeah, Harrison Junior looks pretty good. Even though fields is no good for starting quarterback in the NFL. I thought the Bears would sure keep him and make sure they get Harrison. I think he’ll be a game changer like a Jamar, Chase, or Jefferson from the Vikings

Chaw, I avoid rankings due to insufficient info.  I would put more weight into the player’s character, smarts, and work ethic if I were a GM.  I also don’t watch much NCAAF.  As a numbers guy, I question how fine a line there is between multiple players with a rating of 98 or 6.9 depending on whatever scale scouts use.

I will say Harrison Jr. is hard to pass up because of his Dad’s work ethic.  Have to think that rubbed off to make him pro ready.

I also view McCarthy as a guy who finds a way to win.  He may not have the athletic testing scores to match others but his substance may be better than their form.  But, maybe Harbaugh and his teammates deserve more of the credit to make him a winner.  Just based on my impressions of him, I have always thought McCarthy was being overlooked since he announced he was entering the draft.

I hope to be around long enough to watch how this QB class develops.

Wacky-  How would rank the upcoming quarterback draft class? 

I don’t dislike JJ McCarthy. I’m always skeptical of guys who shoot up the draft board because of the combine or pro day. Justin Wilson and Trey Lance of the most recent examples. 

JJ is coming from a great program and it is all a crapshoot. 

Z- Good info on Penix. If he can avoid injury I sure like his arm, 

Based on who I believe will be the best Pro Quarterback:

Michael Penix
Drake May
JJ McCarthy
Caleb Williams 
Jayden Daniels

The right system also matters a lot! How many guys that could’ve been good never got an opportunity because something happened because of possibly the system they were in. If Brady would’ve went somewhere else, he might not have been Brady you know  what I mean?

I know Penix had 2 torn ACL’s and a couple of shoulder injuries while he was at Indiana. He was injury free in his 2 years at Washington, but the injury history could be why his stock is only a second round. 
I always liked watching him at Washington. He definitely showed he has all the skills to play in the NFL.

Chaw, how many QB’s were drafted before Tom Brady?  In my view, player success depends more upon the individual’s work ethic, accountability, and what is between his ears more so than the physical attributes we fans observe.  As has been mentioned in the past, the team around that player and coaching is very important.  No GM’s bat 1.000 come draft day.

I’m shocked I’m saying this but it’s pretty clear JJ McCarthy will be the 2nd quarterback taken in the draft ahead of J Daniels and D May. A month ago McCarthy was 50-1 to be the 2nd quarterback taken. Last week his odds dropped to 10-1. This morning the odds are down to 3-1. 

JJ McCarthy is going very high in this draft. 

To tell you what a non scout I am.. The best looking pro quarterback in college from last year to me was Michael Pennix. He has a strong arm and is accurate. He is now projected to be a 2nd round pick.

I would choose Pennix over McCarthy. Certainly would choose Daniels or May over McCarthy. 

It will be interesting to see how this quarterback draft does in the NFL. 

lol.   Most of us are in the same boat.    Interesting though, we‘ll have a lot to “ discuss “ in the upcoming season.