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5/7/20 @ 8:58 AM
User since 3/27/06

Wanted to know the opinion of all of you who regularly go to Canada. I’m the leader of a group. The group can change each year by one or two guys. This year two of the guys our new.One of them is in his 80s and would actually fly into Wisconsin to join us this year. Age and health issues. This was going to be is once-in-a-lifetime fishing trip to Canada. Given that we are scheduled for the second week of the season, it looks like we are out of luck.

The outfitter I use purchased the business about three years ago. We have been going to this location for well over 20 years. Overall, the new owners have been decent and good. However, they are taking the position that they will roll the deposit over for a year or two but they will not return. This is not making the 80-year-old newcomer happy, given that he doesn’t think he will be able to go next year.

I can understand losing the deposit if you voluntarily do not go on the trip. However, this does not seem right to me, given that we cannot cross the border.  What do all of you think?

TODAY @ 5:40 PM
User since 8/27/01

Yes I agree, leave up for people to voice their opinions.  We feel the same about red squirrels, I remember one night eating dinner in the lodge and a guy gets up and runs to the wall near the kitchen, grabbing a red squirrel and those little buggers are nasty to say the least.  

Beaver dams by me I have to clear when going bear baiting and yes what a nightmare.  Call the MNR, they send out a trapper, he doesn't show up for weeks, so yes I clean them each day and those guys are insane workers.  Just think if you had a crew like that working here in the US, the production you would have!  

But on the bright side, I am having fresh sweet corn and watermelon for dinner.  

TODAY @ 4:47 PM
User since 3/27/06

I think we now need to start thinking about 2021. For the super careful, there may be no end to this problem. There will always be some risk.

TODAY @ 1:01 PM
User since 7/3/20

Shad...thanks. Looks like some of the harsher and uninformed critical comments have been taken down since my post...they shouldn't be. It's good to get peoples impression and thoughts and be able to address it openly.  Even without those deleted comments, I guess I'll just leave mine up for awhile anyway so others can get both sides of the picture.

Flying squirrels we can kind of take, but we have a war on red squirrels...when they get in a cabin or lodge, they are some destructive little critters!

By the way, you're supposed to just JUMP those Beaver dams with the boat, not tear them apart :-) Fun times. Those dams are just rebuild by them again an hour later anyway, right?  

TODAY @ 12:34 PM
User since 8/27/01

To One-Last-Cast:  Very well said, we are owners and in the same boat as you and mighty struggle is an understatement.  But as I write, I think that our camp is on good hands with the Flying squirrels whom most likely staying in our lodge because their is no one to disturb them!  As I sit at the computer in air conditioning, I think of where I would be today and it would be bear baiting and cutting in baits.  Hotter than hell up there too, but then I think of Beaver Dams we break, and after getting done, stopping and listening to the wilderness, there is nothing like it!  As a teacher and outfitter, the wilderness brings me my sanity and you are correct, I would not trade those experiences for anything in the world!  Keep your chin up, better days are ahead!

TODAY @ 7:03 AM
User since 7/3/20

Thanks for that Peanut09...the last glimmer of hope for even a partial summer evaporated 2 days ago when they extended the 14 day quarantine rule to the end of August EVEN if the border opens somewhat. With that the 2020 season is a wash.

Get this...we are allowed to go up because we own the lodge to check it out, do maintenance, mow the grass-probably so tall we could sell it for hay by now :-), etc, but are required to quarantine for 14 days in place. We are remote and miles and miles from any, or would never even see another human, yet during the 14 days can't even be in a boat by myself until the 14 days is over. Once I would step back off the property even into a boat we would be in violation of the requirement.

Hope they let me catch a Walleye off the dock when I get there...I'm going thru withdrawal pains this time of year from being without Walleye from "catching to fry pan" in 10 minutes. People satisfied with frozen fish have never had that!

Anyway...been there many years, and will be there many more, but this is a huge setback! The safest thing to be at the lodge right now is a fish, but watch out next summer! 

TODAY @ 5:26 AM
User since 1/17/10

One last cast, I feel for you and all the other lodging and resorts in Canada. Hopefully there is a glimmer of hope that some of the season can be saved. A friend of mine owns a Canadian resort and is having a hard time also as most are. Hopefully they will all be there in the end. Good luck to all.

7/3/20 @ 11:10 PM
User since 7/3/20

Thanks for asking...I think :-)

But would rather stay under the radar...this social media stuff, even with all good intents, can be a disaster!

7/3/20 @ 7:02 PM
User since 3/7/15


What lodge do you own ?

7/3/20 @ 3:42 PM
User since 7/3/20

Canadian Lodges owned by Americans

I am an American who owns one of a very high percentage of Canadian Lodges owned and operated seasonally by American families. As much frustration I have with much of social media because of how disgusting and misunderstood comments can be taken, I feel like this subject could benefit from hearing it from this "side of the fence". Being Americans owning a Canadian Lodge, we do not qualify for any unemployment or financial assistance on this side or that side...we fall in between the cracks. Though we do not agree with guests losing their deposit, each place will have to decide how they will handle it. We will be offering our guests options to use their deposit.

As far as lodge owners having lots of money...I wish. We earn a living in a way we wouldn't give up for anything, work hard to try and earn a living, and we take a gamble that many years down the road our asset will be our retirement. But as far as our bank accounts being awash in cash is far from reality. Anybody commenting that way should know that there'll probably be lots of lodges that will be going broke (ya, because of all the money they're swimming in) after this. And thinking it's that easy, you guys can jump in anytime and give it a try instead of just making perceived comments and criticize! We're all interested in hearing solutions along with the complaints instead of being accused of being thief's....of which there have been some over the years, but not 99.9% of them.

Lodge owners will not have an income for 20 months, and any deposits received have been spent to prepare for what now will be a totally lost season. We paid for all our promotion, advertising, Sport Shows, etc...tens of thousands, all lost! We had fully paid for shows that were canceled at the last minute and received no refund. Our fixed expenses ie taxes, permits, insurance, maintenance, etc will have to be paid for with zero income...and IF available, loans do us no good but create a deeper hole...and on and on! We cannot swallow this whole!

I am not intending to whine, so please take this for it's intent...just to inform. I could go on for hours going over the challenge, but all of us "unessential" are in this together and many of our guests have said to just keep their deposit to get us through...we won't, but those people are a big reason why we love this business!

You guys MUST know that the worst thing we can do in this industry is to piss off our guests or potential guests! I totally understand the principal of what you're seeing. I would rather give you a $1000 dollars than to be screwed out of a nickle, but a degree of understanding and help needs to be considered here. For us, thank God we will be around, but my heart goes out to many lodges and other business owners, because of nothing they had anything to do with, will be losing their business, homes they loaned against, savings, and dreams, not just a couple hundred dollars deposit.

C'mon...We all know someone whom we have NO idea the troubles they kind, be kind, be kind! 


7/2/20 @ 8:07 PM
User since 1/17/20

looks looks like it got deleted.

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