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Canadian Border opening to non essential travel?

10/4/20 @ 9:57 PM
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doorman
doorman
USER SINCE 12/28/06

Resort owners, Canadian residents or people in the know. When will the boarder open? 

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2/25/21 @ 9:09 AM
toughontrout
USER SINCE 12/21/20

Kutt2, thanks so much for the input & letter. That puts an entirely different "twist" on the whole situation that I had not considered. That being said, we, including this Dr., are still all surmising as to the  possible border opening. I sincerely the "higher ups" consider the 2nd option. Again, thank you for all of that info!

2/25/21 @ 8:47 AM
Kutt2
USER SINCE 10/31/15

I heard this from "a guy" in Canada


A couple of weeks ago Obabikon posted an email letter to various Canadian government officials that expressed the help needed by resort owners as a result of the closed border. Many W/C members joined in and sent out the emails. Some of the officials replied with canned “thank you” messages. One wanted my Canadian address because he only responded to constituents. Today, however, I got this response. There’s nothing definite there, but it’s the most encouraging thought yet!

Good evening everyone,



Thank you for all the emails you have sent that were prepared by Team Obabikon. I have met with many of the tourism operators in my riding and have had many calls regarding the dire situation facing their businesses. I am fully aware of the economic devastation they are experiencing at the moment and the tough position their families are in.

I agree that we need clarity on the border. If exact assurances cannot be given about what changes will be coming at the border and when, then I believe the Government should provide estimates based on the evidence they have now. Having no information is not fair for tourism businesses. I have made this point repeatedly to my Government and caucus colleagues.

As I’ve mentioned in my calls with some of the business owners who sent these emails, as a doctor and someone who speaks often with infectious disease experts, I have my own views about what may happen with the border this spring and summer. In all, I see three possible scenarios.

One is the complete opening of the border without restrictions for vaccinated and unvaccinated people early on in the season. This seems to me unlikely given the amount of COVID-19 in the US and Canada and the possible risks that COVID-19 variants pose to vaccination efforts (though these risks may be minimal, if the current preliminary data on the effectiveness of the vaccines against preventing severe disease with the variants is correct).

Another is the opening of the border for individuals who have been vaccinated without restrictions. This to me seems a very likely option that Canada and the US will take – though, I have to stress that I do not have any inside information on this that makes me feel this way. I am basing this on the preliminary data I have seen on the ability for the vaccines currently being used in Canada and the US to prevent the ability for a vaccinated person to spread the COVID-19 virus. To put it simply, vaccines can make you immune to a disease – meaning you do not get sick – but you may still carry the virus within you which can then be passed on to other people. It seems that in these early stages of the vaccination campaigns, Pfizer/Biotech and Moderna’s vaccines significantly reduce a person’s ability to spread the COVID-19 virus once they are immune (see https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z). However, this data is very early and not based on large sample sizes. Time is still needed for these findings to be borne out. I think in the next two months or so, we will have a much better idea about this. My educated guess – and that is all it is – is that these findings will likely be correct.

Another reason for my belief in the likelihood of this scenario is the fact that by the summer, most if not all vulnerable groups will be vaccinated in Canada, along with a fair share of rest of population as well.

The third scenario is the worst one – that is, the current border restrictions remain in place either through the season, or at least late into the season. I personally do not think this is a likely scenario – or one that I would advise given the current data. However, with the outside possibility that the vaccines may not be effective at preventing spread of the variants – which as I noted above, seems unlikely given the preliminary data – this could possibly happen.

If this is the case, significant additional government funding is needed to keep tourism operators afloat. There are programs right now that can provide loans to many of these businesses – for example, the $ 1 million Highly Affected Sectors Credit Availability loan program (https://www.bdc.ca/en/special-suppor...20flow%20needs.) However, I know that these loans are only forcing businesses into more debt. Grants and explicitly forgivable loans are needed. I have been vocal to my Government about this since last spring and have worked with NDP and Conservatives to advocate for this.

As well, even though I believe the second scenario involving vaccinated travel into Canada is the likely road we will go down, I still recognize that business may not be at 100% or that debt incurred from last year may hinder their ability to start-up this year and receive customers. I have explicitly asked my Government for federal support for businesses to cover their seasonal insurance costs this season regardless if the border opens or closes, as well tax rebates for the next two years to help keep money in the pockets of these businesses as they rebuild.

Everything I have said in here is based on my understanding of the current evidence surrounding the virus and the vaccines. What I want for all of you is to have clarity from the Government about what will happen at the border. That, along with the financial advocacy, is my top priority. Though I am one MP, there are many other MPs in the same boat as myself, and I am working as hard as I can to get my other colleagues to push the Government for an answer on this question.

I apologize for my delay in responding to your emails. I wanted to take the time provide a substantive response to all of you. I would encourage the businesses that have contacted me from outside my riding to also write to their MPs and raise these concerns with them as well.



Sincerely,

Marcus Powlowski

Member of Parliament

Thunder Bay-Rainy River

2/25/21 @ 7:39 AM
toughontrout
USER SINCE 12/21/20

BP1 & Symmetre, after talking to my Canadian friend and reading your posts, I sadly could not agree more. MAYBE a trip to the Boundary Waters would be allowed, and I'm not sure of that! I am definitely going to alter my summer fishing vacation plans to not include Canada.

2/25/21 @ 7:30 AM
Symmetre
USER SINCE 5/11/20

As of this morning (Feb 25) the province of Ontario, the city of Ottawa and the city of Toronto announced they have cancelled all scheduled events until at least July 1, and they're saying additional cancellations are likely to follow. Its not a good sign when the politicians shut down their own wine and cheese events.

As much as people  want to come to Canada to fish, and as much as Canadian lodge operators want you here, forget about it for this year guys. It's March next week, and things are still not looking very good at all.

If I lived in the US, I would be booking a trip to Alaska, or maybe go saltwater fishing in the Virgin Islands. I think people who hold out hoping things will improve will be disappointed, and wind up not going anywhere at all.

Just saying ...

 

 

 

2/25/21 @ 4:26 AM
Bigpike1
USER SINCE 2/28/02

Not sure about the o.p. but common sense tells me thunder bay is in a total lock down and the likelyhood of any border opening is not gonna happen this year.


What's your take on that trout?

2/24/21 @ 7:49 PM
toughontrout
USER SINCE 12/21/20

Just got off the phone with my Canadian friend and he says that Thunder Bay is going back to a full lock-down starting Friday 2/26/21. Barbershops, bars, restaurants, etc. all closed again. Gas stations and grocery stores open under very strict stipulations of hours and number of customers. Because of this, he feels it is highly unlikely that the border will be open this year, unless the numbers come down drastically. Symmetre, what's your take on this?

2/24/21 @ 1:21 PM
toughontrout
USER SINCE 12/21/20

Hey BP1, where does your common sense come from? We are born with a free will, but not with common sense. Common sense comes from what using all of your senses and then forming an opinion. Without common sense, we would have no rationale, and January 6th was a perfect example of that, no common senses, no rationale.

The border will open only when those in an athoritative position see fit to open it, and there's nothing we can do to sway their decision. 

2/24/21 @ 9:46 AM
Bigpike1
USER SINCE 2/28/02

Toughontrout you do that. As for myself I will use my own common sense. As for Canada its clearly time to move on for this year. Plenty of awesome destinations in the U.S.A. with needy people wanting my tourist dollars. Pike Out.

2/24/21 @ 9:30 AM
toughontrout
USER SINCE 12/21/20

Symmetre, you really should be our (Americans) "go-to-guy", as your history and knowledge speak for themselves. Simpler put, I would go to a divorce lawyer for a divorce, I would go to a gardener on any needed advice on my garden, I would go to a pilot for flying questions etc. and I would go to a Canadian on advice on Canada! We should be listening to your input, along with that of Dr. Fauci, the CDC and the WHO in order to properly plan our daily activities. All else is simple here-say and opinions. Also, my Canadian friend to the South of you really appreciates and respects your input! 

2/23/21 @ 4:50 PM
Symmetre
USER SINCE 5/11/20

cle - When I was a kid I worked at a couple of lodges in Northwestern Ontario for a few summers, so I do know how important tourism from the US is for the camp operators in that region.

But I don't think you appreciate how many people come to other parts of Canada for reasons other than fishing. We measure the number of people visiting each year to fish and hunt in the tens of thousands, and the number of people visiting cities in the tens of millions. StatsCanada (federal government's statistics arm) puts fishing and hunting as being responsible for approx six percent (6%) of tourism visits each year.

airborne - the big cities obviously have a certain volume of pass-through traffic, but the number of people visiting them as their final destination is staggering. They're not just hitting the airport then continuing on to Kenora.


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