Thoughts on this?
WTH IS GOING ON!!
You can't blame it all on a previous administration and say it wasn't an attempt to bring politics into it. Anything that happened may have had a shot term effect, but this is a long term problem.
"For me bring back the backtag the carcass tag and in person registration and then we can start looking at numbers and how to manage our seasons."
I agree, they are not getting a realistic account of the deer harvested anymore.
Wow I wasn't trying to bring politics into this. Politics is what I'm blaming for many of the rules and regulations we have today. We need to get back to the process of refining what we want through the spring hearings. Only problem is most of those that complain and whine about the DNR have never even participated in the law and rule making process that we have. These questions that have been proposed maybe will make some participate that otherwise wouldn't. As of last year it easier than ever as you can vote online.
As to mistakes being made long before these changes I'll agree SAK needed changes as our permit changed that method to be less accurate. They handed out way too many tags for too many years and forced us to shoot deer that weren't there. Sorry I know guys don't know better but really just because you have a tag you don't have to fill it.
Maybe having riled up so many and ruffled feathers it will prompt some to submit their own ideas to be voted on.
For me bring back the backtag the carcass tag and in person registration and then we can start looking at numbers and how to manage our seasons.
percheye1 is spot on. Science was replaced with the eye test and CDACs.
The biggest mistake they made was trying to manage by county, where habitat, land type, land use can vary significantly.
Could any of us imagine how bad the deer management would get in Wisconsin if KW and his Madison cohorts were allowed to manage deer by regions instead of counties. Think about that for a minute . There would be no limits on how low they could get the deer population. That’s the final lie and one we hunters cannot ever let happen here . Our WDNR wildlife managers simply cannot be trusted to care for our resources in this day and age.
Late 80's is when the DNR's SAK method started to become flawed.
Percheye way wrong. The things I speak of happened long before the things you speak of.
Please keep your political finger pointing out of this, it's been going down hill for way over 8 years.
The underlying reason for the DNR pushing for an increase in license sales is money - from the feds. The money from the taxes on hunting supplies is distributed based on license sales. WI used to have the most non resident license sales in the US. Now they are competing against other states for a dwindling piece of the pie. This was why sales of senior licenses was used instead of free licenses. Free licenses don't count in the tally. Licenses have to cost more than the administrative cost.
The DNR also has to deal with and comply with federal standards and issues. Since the feds give equal weight to anti hunting interests, there is lot the state DNRs have to contend with. None of this is cheap.
Riverchaser the science you speak of in the dnr has been long gone. It has been replaced with barstool genius and who has a buddy in the legislature and get some hair brained idea passed. Yes it has always been in fashion to bash the dnr but the science department has been fired by the Walker administration and the Evers administration has not replaced it. The fact is we had a Natural resources department that was looked up to nation wide. Our system of implementing rules and regulations was unique and always in our hands as residents of Wisconsin with the spring hearings. This too was watered down with the Walker administration although it's still there it just takes longer to get changes through. Most of the bs changes that have been made over the last 10 years have little of anything to do with the dnr. They have been changes made by legislature.
Back in the 1980s and 1990s the popular newspapers were the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and the appleton Post Crescent in the area I lived. Both papers had deer hunting related articles that regularily raved about Wisconsins deer science and population estimates being the envy of the entire nation. This wasnt just an occasional article or an occasional interview that claimed this. Hunting north of Hwy 8 for most of the past 30 years there is no indication that the science we paid for is beneficial to the hunters who paid for the science. In fact, just the opposite. The people who paid for this "best science in the nation" have gotten betrayed by the science they supported.