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2021 Deer season

11/4/21 @ 7:27 PM
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Mr.Seaguar
USER SINCE 2/5/05

Edit: I meant to say Gun deer season.

I will be in Shawano county. Weather looks really nice. Very excited as usual. I loves me some opening days.


Anyone hunting MN opener? It's gonna be 60*, glad I didn't plan on it. 

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12/13/21 @ 9:56 AM
JC-Wisconsin
USER SINCE 4/1/05

I blame the WDNR first and foremost for lack of deer on public land, not just in the north.  WDNR is hamstrung to get deer killed on private land, so they try to make up for it on public land.  The results speak for themselves.  Now, with the CDACs, that is another animal, but an animal greatly influenced by WDNR.  Stacking the CDACs with anti-deer folks (DOT, Forestry) already creates an uphill battle for those that want more deer.

I also blame WDNR for not controlling the wolf population.  I know liberal judges have been a thorn in the side for wolf management, but when WDNR goes against the very basics of the Wolf Management Plan when seasons have been open, and refuses to follow it, the results speak for themselves.  350 was the goal, but now WDNR lies and says it is a minimum number.  When after hunt populations are over a 1,000 wolves, they have single handedly managed the population based on politics and the beliefs of only a few people in high places.  

12/13/21 @ 8:21 AM
lakeshiner
lakeshiner
USER SINCE 7/20/09

I always thought the main factors were logging and spring thaw.  In my area of Price, the hemlocks and such are so thick that no sunlight gets through for new growth.  I tried planting a tree in my yard and its bending toward the light, I struggle to grow grass.  The hemlocks just block all the light.  The last few years they have been logging the national forest areas and that is coming in thick.  I'm happy to see them doing all that, I think it will help the future.  So much of the woods was wide open.  

Snow is pretty deep already for this time of year, deer are almost plowing with their chests.  Hopefully we get a nice early spring again to keep things going in the right direction.  I still think that is the biggest factor of all.  Nothing worse than turkey season starting and having a foot or two of snow yet, like we did back in 2013 and 14.

12/12/21 @ 9:17 AM
LittleLuck
USER SINCE 2/16/17

so we crash the deer population for the timber industry? well the timber industry doesn't own county and national forest land, the tax paying people do. I am sick and tired of the forestors crying wolf about overbrowsing and too many deer. If it was up to them one is too many deer. Public forest lands have management plans that are multiple use that include hunting, hiking, snowmobiling, atv, bird watching, canoeing and other forms of recreation.  Is it not to just be managed for a single use for the timber industry's profit. They do not own all the public land in northern Wisconsin.  Every time at cdac meetings the forestor complains about overbrowsing. I ask him to show me the extent. He says a couple clear-cuts show signs of it 100-200 acres out of 55,000.!!!!. Really? Talk about the boy who cried wolf 

12/11/21 @ 7:36 PM
outfishin
USER SINCE 1/14/13

Ihookem,

North west of Watersmeet. We hunt private and public. I’ve hunted and scouted from marenisco all the way over to southeast of Kenton. Gotta keep moving to stay on deer but it really is a crap shoot every year. The deer in these areas are migrators and who knows if they return to their same summer/fall ranges every year which also plays into things.  I’ve read every article and study I can find on deer migrations to wintering yards and find it fascinating but there’s so much that isn’t known or isn’t studied. 

12/11/21 @ 7:20 PM
ihookem
ihookem
USER SINCE 11/29/01

Outfishin, where is your dee camp in "Da U.P.? and Yamatroller, I see the same thing in Price co. You will not find a baby cedar and if you find a Hemlock in the fall , it will be gone by spring thaw . It will take another 10 yrs of low deer numbers and then maybe we will see some oaks and white pine getting above the browse line. If the old timers would have shot some does 50 yrs ago we would at least have some white oaks above the browse line and by now would be making some acorns for food. In a strange way  it was our fault. There were too many deer in Price co. at one time. 

12/11/21 @ 2:41 PM
yamatroller
USER SINCE 5/7/06

One thing hunters don't realize is that there are a lot more people depending on logging up north  for jobs then the few bar and resort owners that want a lot of hunters up north. Years ago we got spoiled with the high numbers of deer and the good hunting but all those deer did a lot of damage to the future of the timber industry. The over population of deer over browsed the forest, I remember walking through the woods and seeing every branch and little tree up to the size of my pinky finger chewed right down to nothing. Even now there is not a small cedar or hemlock to be found.  The forest and logging industry would have no future if this was still going on. Lots of land is owned by the timber industry and they want to keep the deer population under control and I guess it is their right. As one member of the Conservation Congress told me years ago when the population was really high " The DNR will never let the deer population in Northern Wisconsin ever get ever get this high again". 

12/11/21 @ 8:11 AM
LittleLuck
USER SINCE 2/16/17

Yamatroller,

maybe not that much logging in Forrest county if you say. But I know in Clark, Eau Claire, Vilas, Price, Oneida, Marinette, Sawyer there has been more logging than ever. There is tons of great deer habitat but no or very few deer. Goes back quite a few years when the DNR issued way to many doe tags and hunters thought they were doing a good thing because they believed the DNR knew what they were doing. Well they were both terribly wrong. Now we see the results of this. Very low if not 30-40 year historical low deer populations in a lot of northern counties.  Now have quite a few predators take over areas and it is near impossible to grow the deer population even with buck only. Throw in a couple severe winters and you have a biological desert. If there is a slight increase in buck kill the DNR and the forestors all claim there is too many deer and start issuing way too many doe tags. Look at Price county this year something like 13,000 doe tags RIDICULOUS!!!.  The only conclusion I can come up with is the DNR and forestors want very few deer up north especially on public land. Obviously the DNR hasn't learned anything from their gross mistakes of the past and is trying to do the same thing over again. They really don't care about hunters having a quality hunt. If they did they would do something about it and wouldn't keep doing what they are doing to prevent deer populations from growing up north. Many of the CDACs are just hand picked puppets of the DNR. The process of choosing CDAC member needs to change. Right now I believe 3 or 4 out of 5 of the CDAC selection committee people are DNR. 


12/11/21 @ 6:58 AM
outfishin
USER SINCE 1/14/13

Tons of logging in Vilas county the last few years. Definitely helps. 

In all my experiences in the bigger woods of northern Wisconsin and the U.P., there’s way to many predators, severe winters, etc. but there’s still pockets of deer with some nice bucks every year. A lot of the bucks probably die of old age or at least I believe get to a certain age and get taken out by wolves. People that don’t frequent the areas I frequent don’t realize how quickly wolves can wipe out one of these good pockets of deer. Not saying all the deer get killed, but the deer will move out and relocate if continually pressured from predators.  It makes it very tough from year to year especially when a guy can scout miles and miles of woods without so much as a deer track. It takes a TON of work to get on that next pocket of deer. I enjoy it less and less each year. 

I’ve had areas where we would have 10-12 bucks on camera one year, the wolves moved in and the next year that area was completely void of any and all deer sign. Again, not saying all these deer were killed, but they weren’t in the 5-10 square mile area we had been scouting. We do almost always find evidence of some predator kills. It’s a vicious cycle. If there’s a pocket of deer, there is or will be predators very soon. It’s tough hunting for sure. 

Now in my areas of the U.P.  There’s lots of logging happening all over the Ottawa and there’s miles and miles of heavy select cuts and clear cuts that look like and should be prime deer habitat. Unfortunately most of it is completely devoid of deer. It’s sad because it could really be something special. I encourage anyone to go scout those areas in the western U.P. After a fresh snow and see what you turn up. Again, even these areas will have pockets of deer with some decent bucks but they are so few and far between, it’s extremely tough hunting and changes drastically from year to year because of winters, predators, etc. 

I’m giving my property in the U.P. 1 more year and if it’s a bust again, I’m selling. Between the predators and severe winters, it will never amount to much. Keep saying next year, maybe next year. Well, here I sit in mid December with over 20” of snow pack already, not a good start to a very long and tough winter. 

12/10/21 @ 11:42 PM
yamatroller
USER SINCE 5/7/06

In my opinion I  wouldn't blame the DNR for the lack of deer on public  land in most of Northern Wisconsin. The biggest problems causing the low deer populations is out of the DNR's control. The biggest problem at least in Forest County is the forest is to mature to support a large deer population. There is hardly any logging going on in the National Forest. Years ago when there was a lot of deer there was logging going on all over. Now areas where we used to hunt haven't been logged in over 40 years. I had talked  to a Forester from the National  Forest Service and he said you will never see logging even close to what used  to happen.  That also is because of the lack  of manpower to prepare logging jobs  and because most logging jobs in the National Forest are also contested by lawsuits.   Next problem is the high wolf population but you can thank the tree huggers lawsuits for that. Yes the bear get a few deer but at least by us there aren't nearly the bears that there used to be around. There haven't hardly been any doe permits up there in 5yrs and the population still can't come back on public land. So there are a few other problems rather than to many does getting shot. 

12/10/21 @ 3:06 PM
LittleLuck
USER SINCE 2/16/17

JC,

I hope you and others don't get mislead by the 14.9% increase over 2020 in buck kill in 19 northern counties. You have to look at historically were they are at with buck kills. I am willing to bet quite of few of those 19 counties were at or near 30-40 year lows in buck kill. So 14.9% of a low number is not a very big increase if you are at or near historical low buck kills. And a slight increase for one year from a low number does not make a historical or statistical trend. The DNR purposely doesn't want you to see historical buck kills just a one year increase as a percent so they can try to propose more doe tags that aren't justified. You don't manage any game based on a one year 14.9% increase of a low number unless you are the DNR who wants to devastate the deer herd even more on public land in northern Wisconsin. The northern counties public land need quite of few more deer as deer hunting sucks on the vast majority of it.  The land's carrying capacity its much greater and you have to write off quite a few deer just to feed the wolves, bears, coyotes and bobcats. The DNR is trying to feed hunters a load of bs and have us accept these extremely low deer numbers on public land up north as the new normal. And we don't have to accept it. Oh by the way what has the DNR done to improve deer hunting up north? All I hear is crickets. In fact they have done quite a few things to make it worse.

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