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2019 Gun Deer Final Numbers

12/3/19 @ 12:08 PM
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JC-Wisconsin
User since 4/1/05

Just released, 2019 vs. 2018: Total buck kill down 28.6%, total harvest down 24.9%.  Northern Forest region was the worst: buck kill down 39.5%, total harvest down 38.2%.

Post opening weekend quote: "In 2018, we held the earliest possible deer season followed by the latest possible season in 2019. This occurred between the 2012-13 and 2007-08 seasons as well, and we saw similar declines in opening weekend registration totals," said DNR big game ecologist Kevin Wallenfang. 

2012 antlered harvest: 119,469

2013 antlered harvest: 102,221, drop of 14.5%

2007 antlered harvest: 133,107

2008 antlered harvest: 103,845, drop of 22%

Yes, there were decreases if you only look at the variable as stated by DNR above.  Total harvest of 75,236 bucks in 2019 tells another story.  Even in the worst years, the total buck kill was down 25% on top of the decrease "due to a late start to the season."  The buck kill was down 19% from the lowest buck kill numbers in the last 13 years.  We are on a continued and readily apparent trend downward.

As I posted in another thread, pick the year and you get the same excuses from DNR: standing crops, no snow, late start date to season, and the best of all "lack of hunter effort."

Most of us had record snowfalls late in the season which has never been seen before.  The Winter Severity Index does not properly account for deep snow or extreme cold.  -1 degree counts the same as -30 degrees, and 18" of snow counts the same as 40" of snow according to their system.  I feel a lot of deer died last winter/spring, but we were told we had a record population and a moderate winter even though hundreds of barn roofs collapsed from all the snow.

Since we as hunters failed, and did not do our part to reduce this out of control population as DNR has told us about, I suspect DNR will offer more doe tags, more seasons, more weapons, and longer seasons since we all obviously are failing at hunting.  

I am guessing the number of licenses sold next year will drop even faster with the winter we are already having.  

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12/13/19 @ 9:12 PM
earlyretirement
earlyretirement
User since 3/2/13

"The top five states with the lowest percentage of yearling bucks in the buck harvest include Arkansas (5 percent), Mississippi (10 percent), Louisiana (13 percent), Oklahoma (17 percent) and Florida (19 percent). The states with the highest percentage of yearling bucks in buck harvest include Wisconsin (65 percent), New Hampshire (51 percent), New York (49 percent), Virginia (49 percent), Maryland (47 percent) and Michigan (47 percent). "

JC..... Is this article saying yearling bucks as in nubbins or yearling as in 1.5 year olds... I expected in wisconsin 1.5 year olds were the largest amount of bucks taken... Just curious/surprised at how telling and bad this number is in Wisconsin. 


12/13/19 @ 8:58 PM
earlyretirement
earlyretirement
User since 3/2/13

You are kidding right?  Saying CDACs have ultimate control over deer populations is like saying I have a shot with Jennifer Aniston.


........ she is getting old JC



12/13/19 @ 7:55 PM
ihookem
ihookem
User since 11/29/01

I doubt they will pull their land out of MFL O  . It would cost them a ton of money.  However, I have seen where Consolidated Lumber closed off roads and gated them. It was north of Monico on HWY 45 and a few miles south of county trunk C. 


12/13/19 @ 4:50 PM
JC-Wisconsin
User since 4/1/05

"My family of 6 guys hunts a portion of land in the Ojibwa/Raddison area of northern WI.  It is land owned by one of the paper companies.  While this land is open to the public they do very little, if anything to make it hunter friendly.  There are three main roads into this area off the Polish Road and only one is open before the season and the road is getting absolutely undriveable, even with four wheel drive.  The amount of shooting by the second day is almost zero.  The DNR needs to put a little pressure on these companies to maintain a little better if they want their tax breaks."

Let me get this straight, assuming these roads are owned by the paper company (and I apologize if they aren't), you are complaining about THEIR roads while you are breaking the law driving motor vehicles on them?  You can't even leave a stand in a tree without written permission on MFL-O land.  Motor vehicles are prohibited without permission from the landowner.

What sense does it make to put pressure on a landowner to stick money into their roads so the public has better access - and then the public continues to rut up the roads?  They already, in my opinion, are doing a great service leaving it open to the public.  If I owned the company and I was being pressured to maintain roads for the public to enter and had people driving illegally on my land, I would simply switch this land to MFL-Closed or pull it altogether.  You should be thanking them for leaving it open.  There will likely come a day when this land is bought and put into MFL-Closed and you will completely lose your spot.

I have dealt with dozens of hunters breaking the law and driving UTVs and trucks onto MFL-O land owned by paper companies.  It infuriates me when I walk in over a mile with my climbing stand when someone drives back by me and climbs into their ladder stand 200 yards from their vehicle.  I have called and emailed DNR about this repeatedly, but their hands are stuck because it is difficult to get through to someone at a large company to prove these people don't have permission.





12/13/19 @ 10:06 AM
redhook
User since 12/25/09

The roads you are talking about are in bad shape but the blame goes to the mudders whom are running them during wet conditions, they like to create mud holes for their own use and really have no concerns for hunters or even the DNR fire control people being able to access this land and the idea that if I make it impossible to drive for all but "the big trucks" then we have the area during the hunting season (insert poaching in front of season) without those city people shooting our deer mentality . While I agree better access would be great its like telling the farmer he needs to build stands for you, Have you contacted the paper company about the road/access issues because they may see your side of this but remember there are people whom abuse the same land you talk about (garbage dumping, illegal wood removal, damage to their crop and planting of illegal crops) so see their side and concerns. As far as numbers of hunters, its a state wide issue, I saw 0 hunters on the property I hunt during the days I was out.

12/13/19 @ 7:53 AM
belgianbuctail
belgianbuctail
User since 12/7/02

My family of 6 guys hunts a portion of land in the Ojibwa/Raddison area of northern WI.  It is land owned by one of the paper companies.  While this land is open to the public they do very little, if anything to make it hunter friendly.  There are three main roads into this area off the Polish Road and only one is open before the season and the road is getting absolutely undriveable, even with four wheel drive.  The amount of shooting by the second day is almost zero.  The DNR needs to put a little pressure on these companies to maintain a little better if they want their tax breaks.  The amount hunters that we saw from ten years ago is down at least 50% I bet.

12/12/19 @ 7:33 PM
jitterbug1962
User since 12/14/14

You got it JC,

I believe our group seen more deer this year than in 2018 but we are a long way from recovery. Unfortunately our group has fallen from 20 plus guys down to around 12 and falling. We had a good time while it lasted.

12/12/19 @ 4:55 PM
JC-Wisconsin
User since 4/1/05

jitterbug,

What is of concern in Taylor County is there is a push for those in the forestry department to manage the Taylor County Forest separately and to issue MORE bonus doe tags.  I also read they are trying to implement a DMAP in the County Forest - on PUBLIC LAND.  The DNR is involved with this!  Even though Taylor County CDAC has been great limiting doe tags (especially on public land) over quite some time, there is now a push by the County Forestry Department to kill more deer - you guessed it - some fawns ate a shrub.  Anyone who has hunted the Taylor County Forest knows there are very few deer per square mile.  Another example of the CDAC gets pressure from DNR, County Foresters, and NRB to change there plans.  Ridiculous.

https://www.co.taylor.wi.us/attention-hunters/ 

http://www.centralwinews.com/star-news-star-news-local-news/hunters-voice-opposition-dmap-county-forest 



12/12/19 @ 4:32 PM
jitterbug1962
User since 12/14/14

What is disappointing is the NRB approved population objective for 2018 through 2020 has the majority of the counties at maintain or decrease. Wow. How does Bayfield county have too many deer (decrease)? Maybe, I don't hunt there.

At this point the CDAC's are the only way to get your voice heard. You are correct by saying the forester and area biologist is always for getting more doe permits (probably agriculture in some areas of the state) issued but the rest of the committee that I have seen is more about harvest numbers and trying to find the middle ground (at least in the county I attend). I would like to see them get more aggressive at meeting objectives. Zero doe permits issued for counties that are trying to increase the herd. First you have to have the correct objective for each county. Looking at the numbers that needs to be revisted

I do some hunting in Taylor county public land and they have a goal to increase the herd (which it needs) but they give way to many doe permits. My comment is always "How long is this going to take to get the herd back", probably won't be in my life time.

12/12/19 @ 4:15 PM
kona77
User since 6/20/13

JC-  I agree with many of your points on this thread but have to weigh in on the CDAC/Agriculture comments made.. For full disclosure I grew up in a rural area on a dairy farm and our family loves to hunt and wants to see a healthy deer population. The same can be said for several of the neighbors who are still farming and farmers I now know in Grant and Vernon Cty where I turkey/deer hunt. I do not ever recall the AG Rep at CDAC meetings I attend ever bring up decreasing the herd (my home county continues to be in the "maintain" status)  

While I agree that some farmers and maybe some CDAC/reps want to reduce the herd in certain area's it certainly is not accurate to lump all the folks associated in the AG industry as people who uniformly despise deer.. That simply is not true..

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