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75hp motor on a 17 1/2' smoker???

10/4/09 @ 5:02 PM
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fillet o' fish
User since 11/22/07
Is this enough power? What speeds would I get?

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10/26/09 @ 4:56 PM
lawdog616
lawdog616
PRO MEMBER User since 1/20/04
I have a 17' 10" smokercraft bass boat with a 50 hp on it and it pushes the high 20's. It gets me where I want to go, but on the showroom floor next to my boat was the same boat with a 90 hp etech. To each his own. I should probably put a 75 hp on mine for the two beer drinking guys in it ....lol

10/23/09 @ 11:01 PM
z71booner
User since 1/14/07
and i lied, boat is actually 16'8"

10/23/09 @ 10:59 PM
z71booner
User since 1/14/07
i am glad, by myself on a good day trimmed out, i've got 40 out of it.... and thats gps (lowrance H2O) i consistently run high 30's.... 37/38/39.....

10/23/09 @ 9:51 PM
Steve @ G & S
User since 6/15/01
First things first. The speedometer in 98% of all boats, unless they are the "Smart Craft" type gauge based on gps are at best, "horribly optimistic." The only thing I believe now when someone talks how fast their boat will run is if they are talking gps or radar speed. The water pressure pitot gauges are terribly inaccurate. On Wednesday, while running the eight miles back to the landing to get in before dark, my in dash speedo told me I was running almost 80 mph. If I were the type to believe it, I would have been the happiest guy on the planet to get that kind of speed with a Triton TR-21 and a 225 hp outboard. However I don't believe everything I see and looked to my gps. It told me that I was really running only 69.8. While that speed is more than adequate for most people, it simply illustrates how far off the in dash gauges can be. The thing to remember here is that people still believe that aluminum boats are lighter than fiberglass boats, and so can get by with lower horsepower. That might have been true when aluminum boats had three or four bench seats, a six gallon gas tank and an anchor for standard equipment. However, hull weights have slowly and steadily crept up on aluminum boats and fiberglass boats have reduced their weights. I had a 20' FastCat with an 8'6" beam that weighed 300 pounds LESS than a 17.2' Smokercraft Pro-Angler! (1,100 lb hull weight vs 1,400) I realize that not everyone wants to go 80 mph in a boat, but take this into consideration. Take that 1,400 pound boat and add three batteries at 60 pounds each, 168 pounds of fuel, another 175 pounds of water in the livewell, another 100 pounds of tackle and accessories, a 60 pound trolling motor and I'm leaving a lot of stuff out here. Suddenly you're at 2,083 pounds before YOU ever step into the boat. Figure 200 pounds for you, a 100 pounds for your kid and 250 for your beer drinking neighbor and now you're asking for adequate performance from a 75 hp motor when it's expected to push 2,633 pounds across the water? This boat is going to be slow to plane, sluggish in handling and not an enjoyable ride at all. Back off the throttle a little bit and the boat is likely to fall off plane. AND, you'll be using more fuel in the process than the same boat with a larger motor. Yes, it is more expensive to max out the horsepower on a boat up front, but it's by far cheaper to do it up front than it is to do it down the road. You'll be paying for motor installation twice, and you'll never (or VERY rarely) get a trade-in value that's anything close to what you paid initially for the motor. And what's it going to add to the payments over the life of the loan? $25.00 a month? Heck, most guys here pi$$ that away on beer anyway. Someone else mentioned disatisfaction with an underpowered boat, what is the dollar value on that when you're trying to get back to the ramp ahead of the lightning or hail storm? What's the value of the frustration when the kids want to tube or water ski on that family vacation and the boat doesn't cut it? You're also going to spend more in fuel with an underpowered boat. Most outboards have a preferred powerband where they run at optimum efficiency and minimal fuel burn. Yep, that 75 hp might be able to push the boat to 32 mph, but that's with the throttle jammed against the stops. But now that engine is trying to reach maximum rpms and it's burning fuel at an alarming rate. My 17' Tuffy, with a 75 hp outboard, my gear and two guide clients went 32 mph at WOT and I burned eleven gallons of gas each outing. My 20' FastCat with a 250 RACING motor, with even more gear, three clients on board went 55 mph while cruising easily at 3,800 rpms and I burned ten gallons of gas on an outing. And the best thing? We got to more places to fish in a day, spending less time running between spots. Yes, it is true that a larger outboard won't troll down as slow as a smaller outboard, but buying a kicker motor isn't always the only solution. A single drift sock can be hung off the stern, or two smaller ones from the bow and will slow a boat to a crawl. Heck, even 5 gallon buckets with holes drilled in the bottom will often suffice. A trolling plate can be added to the cavitation plate to slow the trolling speed. All of these options work quite well and are considerably less expensive than a kicker motor. The old 20% of maximum horsepower is still a valid argument and one I live by. Formerly Steve @ G & S

10/23/09 @ 6:18 PM
.westsidebenny
User since 2/9/08
Z71,

If you are getting into the 40's with a 17+ foot boat and a 75hp you should be ECSTATIC!!!! Must be a fairly light craft?

I have a 75 on my 165 Nav and while servicable I hardly ever go out not wishing it had the 90. If I hit mid 30's it is on a perfect day, alone, and minimal gear. Not bashing just saying you should be glad.

The boat in question is almost a foot longer, though I would bet a good deal lighter and skinnier. There are a lot of things that will work and it is true that each pony costs a bit more. But you know what is even more expensive? A rig that your not happy with, a loss on a trade in and starting over from scratch. If it were me, with the experience that I have(moderate) I would personally need to see one hell of a deal to go that low on the power.

10/23/09 @ 6:00 PM
Mr. G
Mr. G
User since 7/4/01
75hp on a 17' boat doesn't sound that bad to me either. I would guess that it will get your boat to reasonable speeds in the mid 30mph range. That's plenty fast enough for fishing in my book. Despite what some might have you believe, you actually can fish from a boat with less than 200hp and still catch fish.

10/23/09 @ 12:08 PM
z71booner
User since 1/14/07
75hp on my 17' smokercraft pro angler. its enough motor. gets outta hole nice, 40mph top end. could use some more top end, but other than that i'm not complaining

10/23/09 @ 10:43 AM
jammintomusic
User since 5/29/08
I run a 40hp on a 16' Deep V tracker. Gets to 29 on the GPS. Wish I bought a 50 instead, but the 40 will do.

10/23/09 @ 12:32 AM
eyesman
eyesman
User since 1/7/02
Steve's comments from a few posts back are correct. You will not be happy with the preformance of the undersized motor. eyesman

10/21/09 @ 3:39 PM
Straylunker
User since 7/25/04
My 17.5 Lund was rigged with a 115 opti and I had them put on a 135 with the wife's permission Blush Glad I did it. If you can max it out do it, you will not be sorry.

Lunker

10/16/09 @ 11:04 PM
bd69
User since 10/6/09
No go to atleast 80% of what the boats rated for.My buds got a 95 17ft sylvan pro select.Its rated for a 150 he has a 135 mercury and it goes about 50-52mph 2 people and gear.Never buy a underpowered boat because u will either blow the small motor up orupgrade to more power.

10/16/09 @ 10:22 PM
Steve @ G & S
User since 6/15/01
What you need to do is look at the boat's Coast Guard rating plate. It will list a maximum horsepower rating for that particular boat hull along with other safety data.

When powering a boat, a great rule of thumb is that the boat should not be powered by a motor less than 20% of its maximum rated horsepower. With less horsepower, you'll find the boat will not get up on plane in a reasonable manner, have a slower top end speed, and you'll actually end up using more gas because you'll have to run the boat at a higher throttle setting to maintain speed.

I took a look at the Smokercraft website and every boat listed in the 17 foot class was rated for a 140 hp outboard. Based on the fact that you're talking about HALF the rated horsepower, I would say that the boat would be grossly underpowered. I wouldn't buy a boat powered like that.

My guess is that IF you didn't add much gear or keep the fuel tank and livewells filled, you'd probably get about 32 mph on a good day, with a tailwind.

That boat should have at minimum, a 115 and preferrably more.

Formerly Steve @ G & S

10/16/09 @ 10:08 PM
Glowjig
Glowjig
User since 2/4/08
I run a 115 Optimax on my 17' pro fisherman. Just right 4 me. I know a guy that had a 90 Opti and traded it up 4 a 115 on that Lowe from Cabella's. Smile

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