What are your thoughts? Pro's an Con's. I know a few people including family that continue to harvest large bucks off public.
Public vs Private
I just wanted to comment on value of private land. I don't think areas where there are elk in wi will appreciate dramatically because of hunting opportunities. I think 'up north' values may actually diminish in future. Some reasons include drop in new hunters entering sport, cwd, lymes disease, taxes, few job oppurtunities, etc. I think the wolf population keeps the elk population in check also.
Areas close to metro area will still appreciate. I personally feel ag land is at a peak right now, except those areas closer to jobs/ population areas.
hookem - there might not be deer way up north, but there's elk! It's a little far-fetched, but hypothetically lets say the DNR gets this whole elk initiative to really take root and establish an Elk population throughout northern WI. In theory, land value should sky rocket north of 8 if that happened. Just some food for thought, I don't see that ever happening.
I only hunt public land. I decided this fall that I could (1) sell my river front property I had for 29 yrs and buy something else just to complain about the new land ( neighbors, poachers ATV's etc.) and be no better off than I am now. ( 2) I could scout the 5,000 ac. public land near my house and get to know the land better than I ever knew a pier of land. (3) just quit hunting and forget about it. So, I decided since there isn't much snow on the ground I scouted the 5,000 ac. over the winter. According to the GPS I scouted 51.7 miles on this land. This does not include getting the trail cam twice or canoeing it. About 3 yrs ago I got so disappointed in the public land I hunted I went somewhere else and decided to give it all I have . Since I am 55 next week and since my first million dollars has eluded me I can't really buy more land. . I have 4 ac. parcel, and 2 7ac. parcels of land . One is in Shawano co. with Red River frontage and We have 23 ac. in one chunk between us siblings. I dont hunt it at all. I just can't stand hunting only 23 ac. and you can send the deer into night only movement on such a small property as my BIL is finding out cause he is hunting it and the scent lock is not cutting his scent. Therefore it is almost totally night time movement. In Price co. I have 7 ac. with Flambeau River frontage. I dont hunt the 7 ac. I hunt a parcel across the river that is about 5000 ac. between roads. I only hunt about 200 ac. though cause it seems the more I scout the more it is the same cause deer are so nomadic there just is little or no pattern since the wolves taught them if they follow a pattern the wolves will discover their pattern. I could bait and improve my odds considerably but I hunt deer like others here have said. I think I will do better this fall on public land and will no doubt make my private parcels worth even less to me. As for land going up. It is a sure bet land north of HWY 8 will not go up . It has tanked and has stayed that way of ra long time. Land there wont go up unless lumber goes up cause hunting a 40 is futile. I can walk a 40 after it snowed 24 hrs ago and not cut a deer track in that 40. And to pay $ 1,000 taxes on a 40 in Price co. to see almost nothing is not going to raise the land price. In Shawano, Waupaca , where there are deer, the land may very well keep going up, , , , for a while, till the next economic downturn happens and enough hunters quit waiting in their box blinds for a horned target to shoot ( humorous sarcasm) then land will likely go down there too. When we get a downturn, a real one, where interest is high , jobs are few and old hunters give up the ghost on their beloved hunting land to pay medical and retirement bills you will see land everywhere go down.
Everyone in a treestand is waiting for deer LOL. People who drive and stalk are the only ones not waiting. (Meant to be half joking/half serious).
I've wondered the same thing about value of land as Fishnhunt. 30 years ago there wasn't the demand for hunting land as there is today. I know the property I own isn't huge but in the past 8 years it has not increased enough to offset the cost of taxes. So no real profit there for me anyways. Probably different closer to a population center where I could see demand increasing yet. At the same time, if you plan to take it to your grave you won't see any of it anyways so the value in terms of money is kind of mute to yourself. The real value is the use you get out of it. If its passed to your kids, whether they continue to hunt it or sell it off the minute you croak and take the money, either way it helps them. So that's a good thing too.
Location has a major sway in how you answer this question. If you live north of Hwy 64 it would be hard not to focus attention on the vast amounts of public land. I'd tend to look towards having a nice place on a great fishing lake.
Living in the central part of the state I always knew owning land was the key to outdoor enjoyment for myself and my family. 20+ years ago I hung it all out there and purchased a sizable parcel. Best move I ever made! The land has probably tripled in value but that is inconsequential. I built a home here out of which I could continue my career. Meanwhile I walk out the back door to hike, snowshoe, tend food plots and plant trees. I enjoy the land every single day and give thanks regularly to be lucky enough to land in this spot.
Oh yea, I hunt deer here. I don't "wait" for them...
Fishnhunt you maybe right know one can know for shure.I had that land for 26 years paid a little over 200 an acre.It reallie depends on the stock market and the economy.Before I bought land I wasted a lot of money on buying trucks every couple years,now I run them for 18 years.LOL I will say this though having your own land is just fun.I hunt my land on week ends and public during the week.
I have to kindly disagree with Red Eagle when it comes to cameras. I 100% believe that if someone has a specific class of buck they want to hunt or a specific deer they want to hunt there is no way to improve your odds more than with cameras.
I believe scent control is great when hunting but in the summer checking cameras I sweat all over the place and even on my cameras and I get picture after picture after picture of 125-170" deer. If you are where the deer want to live and they realize you are not a threat you can condition them to your scent. Then hunting season rolls around and you go full scent control on them and they will think you were there an hour ago if they pick up your scent. Will it work for every deer... no... but more often then not I have had 0 issues with cameras moving the deer I am hunting around or making them nocturnal. Deer are crepuscular animals to start with so if your not getting slightly more after dark pics to start with you have something special going on.
I could be wrong on all of this too but my dang taxidermy bills since 2012 tell another story.
I think land will keep going up but its hard to believe it would go much higher than $6000 per acre. Too many people will not be able to afford it, but in todays world people have no problem taking out huge loans they probably can't afford and the banks have no problem giving it to them.
I like hunting both,I like to strap a stand on my back and hunt areas I have found bird hunting.That said buying land can be a good investment and for me has worked out well.I retired at 51and now have time to hunt the west more so I decided to sell some of my land made 6 times what I paid for it.Even with taxes that you can deduct, then there is logging can make good money if you are carefull.Better than throwing your money away on new trucks,atv's and boats every year.