What are your thoughts? Pro's an Con's. I know a few people including family that continue to harvest large bucks off public.
Public vs Private
So I placed wireless cams locked on public land in Waupaca camera. Today two were stolen. I have some pics of people walking near them recently. If you hear of anyone bragging about their new cellular wireless cams, please let me know. I'm hoping the GPS locators indicate where they are. The idiot didn't turn one off and it sent me a pic of his dog. Why do idiots do this! Pic is of one of the guys. Not saying he's the thief, just one of the pics most recently I have.
True Bowguy, there is a lot of logging in my area. So much in fact it is getting hard to find a tree. I had a spot I hunted and got logged. I sat there again this year but it was logged about 8 yrs ago and is going down hill since other places have been logged more recently. As I scout edges of
logging areas I still see very little buck sign. This spring however , same as last year there were a lot of deer in the recently logged area. I dont know where they go in the fall. They are terribly hard to find. This year I am actually going to hunt a clear cut that was done in January if the ATV's dont go riding by me. They are not supposed to be there but always are riding their ATV's in there to bait. Then come gun season they walk in. It really is high time to just hunt somewhere else. A guy I know left the whole county that hunted a little north of me. He hunts Douglass co. now and sais he sees a lot more deer there. He even hunts north of Duluth and likes it better than by me. It is not my imagination. I got so mad this spring that I drove to Delta co. Mich. I picked a spot cold and got out of the car on some public land and walked along a river. Deer tracks and droppings everywhere. I could tell the difference in 100 yds of walking that there was a lot more sign way up in the U.P. However, it may have been a wintering area but there were deer all over. it is getting better in Price co. where my cabin is but it is getting a lot better everywhere else. Your testimony is typical. It could very well be one thing many dont consider. There is hardly any pine or spruce trees in the whole area. In the U.P. there was less food but the pines , spruce and cedar swamps were everywhere and I am sure deer dont get beat up as much form the harsh winters where they can go into thick spruce and cedar swamps . This will also open a can of worms, there is a bunch of hunters in a party that bait like crazy on their big chunk of land and into the public land too. Many wont agree but it has to have an effect on deer movement . Trail cam pics drop of 75% as soon as they start baiting. It has been going on since I had trail cams , year after year, I hardly see a deer during bow or gun.
Ihookem - it’s disappointing to hear of your bleak outlook on the north woods near you. Based on what you’ve said about your scouting, it sure sounds like not seeing deer is not due to a lack of effort.
I’m in Oneida county, and it’s quite the opposite. Plenty of quality fishing opportunities and a healthy and abundant deer herd.
At the risk of opening a can of worms, I’ll share an observation. Similar to your case, there is a tremendous amount of logging going on in the county and state lands around me. When hunted correctly (and with the willingness to adapt), this provides a lot of opportunity on almost endless land. Yet, when talking to most people who deer hunt the area, they complain of not seeing deer. What seems to be lacking (through my observations) is that these people want to hunt the same tree, at the same time, the same way they have hunted it since the 1980’s. They ignore how much the big picture changes and evolves with time, and how deer adapt and thrive in those changes. Certainly not saying you fall in this category- just an opinion I’ve formed on what I’ve seen. It’s a completely different ball game hunting up north, and to do it right on both public and private land, we all have to get out of the mind set of hunting where we want the deer to be. I am indeed guilty of this.
Funny you say that about the fishing. I know you are west of me a ways and every time I go fishing, if I don't fish the chain right by us I head north or east, but never west. Definitely far less options that way and if they get pounded too much you get kind of stuck.
Speaking of land prices up there, nothing seems to move by me. Quite a few have been listed for years and years. Even more have signs up but do not show online because the listing expired. Compare to prices around population centers, they are pretty cheap. No one wants to buy them though. I'd buy a little more if it is a super deal. Definitely would not pay hunting land prices.
Big fish is right. Land up north will not go up unless pulp prices do . It's the only thing up there. The hunting sucks, except for grouse and bear, I think fishing sucks too. Most dont like to hear that but there is not much up there . Was a time fishing was better but " up north " got popular for a long time. Now it seems to be dying . Not Eagle River , St Germain, Woodruff but Price co. is in dire straights around me. Heck, the bar near me is closed at 2pm Sundays during bow season . Bad news up there. For sale signs all over . Not as bad as 5 -8 yrs ago but still bad. Even Lake property is not up much.