I'm starting to think the DNR actually hates deer...

6/14/18 @ 5:57 AM
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Thump55
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USER since 7/19/04

They are giving out three free doe tags in many counties this year with each license. That means you can shoot up to eight deer between your bow and gun.

Unbelievable.

(Tried to attach the map, but can't do it. Counties include Shawano, Waupaca, Oconto, Green Lake, Marquette, Washington, Ozaukee, Grant, Vernon & Buffalo)




Edited on 6/14/18 6:00 AM
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6/21/18 @ 8:25 AM
.Long Barrels
.Long Barrels
USER since 12/9/14

JC-  i wouldn't piss on walkers guts if they were on fire, however I do agree with selling public land that is land locked with no access to it.  Why not have someone else pay the taxes on it rather than the state.  Unless the state forces an easement through,  it's pointless for me to pay for land the public can't use.

Edited on 6/21/18 8:26 AM
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6/21/18 @ 8:04 AM
JC-Wisconsin
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"They pretty much bank on the rut now for a big buck. Years ago people would move deer during gun season and bump those big deer."

It was mentioned that hunters are lazy now, and no longer push deer.  I don't see that as purely the case.  I see the main reason being that no longer do landowners let large groups push their woods.  On public land, I see multiple large groups pushing the same pieces of property each day during rifle season.  Unless these groups have large tracts of property owned by their members, they have either dissolved or simply focus pushing public land only now.

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6/21/18 @ 8:00 AM
JC-Wisconsin
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"I wouldn't complain about deer hunting at all in today's terms. In 50 years if you don't have land or money you will not be able to hunt. Plain and simple. Wicassa said it best in that you will see a European system. The public land you have today will be sold off. Walker is selling it off like no other govenor before him. Go to your local conservation club. How many young adults are at the meetings to help continue conservation practices and purchases of land and easements?"

Governor Walker is the devil I take it.  Selling off public land that has no easement to get to it is very worthwhile in my opinion.  The only ones who benefit are the neighboring landowners.  I don't want my taxes paying for private landowner's private deer farm.  There will most likely always be public land, and it is almost impossible to have hunting any worse than it already is.  However, you have to be lucky enough to live near these large parcels, and I agree everywhere else will turn into Europe - most of the State is already that way.

"How many bucks are getting bigger if the meat mongers are chasing does. I say let them, they want the meat then so be it. They are just improving your chance at a buck. "

Huh?  These guys hunt bucks and does, and their goal is to fill all their tags.  Just because they shoot a doe doesn't mean they won't continue hunting for a buck.  Shooting does also destroys future buck populations.  

"I have been bowhunting for 31 years. The key is to adapt, improvise and overcome. It's how I look at public land properties. How many guys cry on opening day of bowhunting when it's 92 degrees out and mosquitos carry you away. While there home I'm in the woods sitting on the best public property I can find and I also have the first crack at a buck. After it cools off, and the lazy hunters hit the woods I may either A) harvested that buck or B) educated that buck with my scent. The lazy hunters are then behind the 8 ball. "

Great for you.  There are a lot of guys who hunt public land all archery season.  The premise of this topic is the destruction of the deer herd in many parts of the state.  I don't care how much of a master hunter you are, deer have to be present to be successful.

"Don't get me wrong, there is a select few who dedicate themselves to the woods and the hunt. Especially public land, but these hunters are few. "

I am one of those "few" hunters, and I can honestly say that public land I hunt is at an all time worst.  

"Dnr actually hates deer".......Study it a little more and "deer hunters hate the DNR". Why? Because it affects what has always been convenient to the hunter. People HATE change."

If you mean "change" as slaughtering the deer herd the past 20 years, then yes, I hate "change."  

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6/21/18 @ 6:36 AM
.Long Barrels
.Long Barrels
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when i was growing up,  it was one tag for bow hunting.  Buck or Doe,  take your pick and you were DONE.  Personally I don't know i could go back to that.  I hate eating buck meat,  it's sausage meat only or jerky.  I like eating tender doe straps.

I agree with Red Eagle,  most hunters i've met are lazy.  Don't go early because of bugs and heat,  don't do the October Lull...then no late season.  Hardcore for sure,  they hunt 3 weekends.

Edited on 6/21/18 6:48 AM
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6/20/18 @ 4:03 PM
Red Eagle
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I wouldn't complain about deer hunting at all in today's terms. In 50 years if you don't have land or money you will not be able to hunt. Plain and simple. Wicassa said it best in that you will see a European system. The public land you have today will be sold off. Walker is selling it off like no other govenor before him. Go to your local conservation club. How many young adults are at the meetings to help continue conservation practices and purchases of land and easements? 

I sometimes work around the Grafton area and all the so called "men" don't even hunt anymore. Can you blame them. They have nowhere to go due to the great expanse of urban areas moving outward. Deer hunting for the working man will disappear as you know it. 

I scout year round and have a system I utilize to try and put a 125" buck in the freezer. I have been fairly successful with this system the past several years and I only hunt public land. But I appreciate every year I can hunt and see quality deer on public and ecstatic when I capitalize on a goal. 

Don't complain on being able to shoot all those does either. I can think of numerous times where if I decided to take a doe I would of lost out on a trophy buck. How many bucks are getting bigger if the meat mongers are chasing does. I say let them, they want the meat then so be it. They are just improving your chance at a buck.

I have been bowhunting for 31 years. The key is to adapt, improvise and overcome. It's how I look at public land properties. How many guys cry on opening day of bowhunting when it's 92 degrees out and mosquitos carry you away. While there home I'm in the woods sitting on the best public property I can find and I also have the first crack at a buck. After it cools off, and the lazy hunters hit the woods I may either A) harvested that buck or B) educated that buck with my scent. The lazy hunters are then behind the 8 ball.

Adapt to whatever rule or rules are in place. It's funny because I feel the greatest creature that adapts to change is the whitetail deer. Whether it be urban development, new cutover, big timber, small parcels, they always adapt. Yet hunters complain about this and that. Makes me wonder who really is smarter, Whitetails or hunters. Don't get me wrong, there is a select few who dedicate themselves to the woods and the hunt. Especially public land, but these hunters are few.

"Dnr actually hates deer".......Study it a little more and "deer hunters hate the DNR". Why? Because it affects what has always been convenient to the hunter. People HATE change.

Edited on 6/20/18 4:17 PM
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6/20/18 @ 2:53 PM
fishnhunt14
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I think a small piece of the problem where people think there is not enough deer is because of TV shows.  People watch the shows where guys are hunting a 2000 acre property and they see 45 deer a day and they think they should be seeing that many.  Or they are in Texas (I refuse to watch any hunting show in Texas anymore) and they are seeing deer all day long because they are basically treated like cattle on some ranches there.

Should someone hunting in Wisconsin see 45 deer in one day? No, that area probably has too many deer.  Should someone who hunts a full week only see one or two deer all week? No that area probably is underpopulated.  Wisconsin is a diverse state with 3 or 4 different terrain and climate areas.  Each area can support a different population of deer. 

As far as people not hunting hard enough "like they use to", I see both sides of this.  I know guys who bust their butts scouting and getting back into some of these places.  I also know guys who don't scout and hunt the same tree every time. I know some guys who hunt over 30 days a year and some who go two days on opening weekend and that's their season.  The part about people doing deer drives makes a lot of sense to me, those seem to almost be a thing of past in some areas now.


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6/20/18 @ 11:27 AM
pike eyes
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USER since 12/28/10

I honestly believe there is plenty of deer. Its deer hunting not getting.45 years ago we sat all season with a party tag and hoped like he(( you filled it and that was hunting the whole 9 days. We still thought it was agreat time. We hunted Rhinelander area... Now you have this younger generation that hunted during the "GLUT" era and they are spoiled. That along with there instant gratification up bringing will never get "HUNTING". Its my belief that the DNR would like to get back to some of those deer herd numbers tjhat there were back in the 70's, nothing wrong with that.Made me a good hunter and a patient one. Dont get mne wrong the first dry doe that walks by gets a broadhead but thats ok too. there are plenty of them to shoot.



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6/20/18 @ 8:21 AM
lakeshiner
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I agree about how hunting has changed.  To a point I think hunters got more greedy and it turned them dumb.  They pretty much bank on the rut now for a big buck.  Years ago people would move deer during gun season and bump those big deer.  That was okay then, but now its terrible if someone else gets 'your' buck.  So everyone sits in a tree, one the deer already know about, and its a stalemate.  Deer sit tight all day, you sit tight all day....great strategy right?  I guarantee this plays into things.  Wonder why many of the deer shot are the stupid 1.5 year olds...  I remember one year distinctly that my dad and both brothers shot deer opening day.  All were pushed and came running into the woods.  Had that been in today's world, they'd probably not have gotten anything and said the hunting sucks.


Edited on 6/20/18 8:22 AM
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6/20/18 @ 5:19 AM
Farnorthbadger
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USER since 12/7/13

And boom we finally agree 100% on something Wicasa. With how much things have changed in the last 30 years it's scary to think where we might be in 30 more. It really is the biggest issue facing us right now, access to quality hunting for all. With the price tag of land and the tax bills of a camp in Wisconsin you could spend all fall out West or take an African safari every year. To spend all that cash in Wisconsin and then have the neighborhood shoot all the deer is going to be a huge problem in these three tag areas. Tough management business all the way around. 

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6/19/18 @ 1:18 PM
Wicasa
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I’m going to modify a bit and say while we may not be there yet (some kind of “European” style), we’re definitely signaling for the exit ramp...

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