I use pinkie on the bottom, then a bell sinker or flasher, up about four inches and another pinkie up four more inches. Use waxies until you catch a small one, then use it for cut bait. I have caught literally hundreds, with this method, out west in the reservoirs, at depths from 30 to 65 feet. Try to keep the bottom bait about 1-2 inches off bottom. That is where they prefer to be, but sometimes you get a double when there is a big school. That is where the sinker comes in because you now exactly where the bottom is. Its easy ice fishing or a boat with no wind.Dont expect to release any from those depths, 20 might be okay they usually blow out their swim bladder over 30 feet deep. Best day ice fishing I got 88 myself. non ice fish 122. ps no limit at the time.