Need to improve my Flasher/Fly program for Kings this year.

4/24/18 @ 6:00 PM
ORIGINAL POST
mac da gaff
mac da gaff
MEMBER since 9/23/01

I seem to zig when the fish zag. I am consistent on my Fly length 28". What about lead behind the ball or diver. speed at ball, and what color or size flasher/dodger?

I feel that I am Flasher challenged with my deep spread.

Someone boost my confidence this year and tell me I'm doing the right thing.

I'm to the point that in order to get away from my spoon addiction I might have to just leave them at home and force myself to fish the dodger/flash program!

Post Your Comment
Displaying 1 to 10 of 13 Posts
5/3/18 @ 9:56 PM
diver hunter 1987
diver hunter 1987
USER since 9/29/09

I do the most damage on chrome flashers with blue bubble tape.  Fly is a lbb with uv beads.  Next would be chrome flasher with lime green bubble tape with uv fly with green uv beads.  The leaders I run are 3 times the flasher length and tied with 50lb floro to give it extra whip.  I haven’t done well on white flashers dunno why.  The only time I’ve used big spin doctors is with meat but I haven’t ever caught a fish on my 8in spin doctors with flies so I’ve kinda retired those.  Also I really like the flashers with the fins they are very speed tolerant.

Post Your Comment
4/29/18 @ 8:30 AM
sslayer
sslayer
USER since 6/9/06

I ran the big Spin Doctor blades that were 10". I bought the ones that were glow blades and had prism tape on both sides. I had one in purple and one in blue. Ran them 15' from the ball with a fly leader length of 36"

Mainly fished close to the bottom like 5', I had Cannon Digi-Troll IV's with bottom tracking to stay that close.

Mainly caught Lakers on them.

Good Luck

SS

Edited on 4/29/18 8:32 AM
Post Your Comment
4/28/18 @ 5:06 PM
BigMusky12
BigMusky12
USER since 12/22/04

Anyone have success on larger spin doctors like 10 or 12 inch.   Seems no one runs them.  I have run the for a few years with no hits, so I am considering retiring or drastically changing leader length.  PM if you have advice.  

Post Your Comment
4/28/18 @ 7:07 AM
BigMusky12
BigMusky12
USER since 12/22/04

When the charters are just catching lake trout and steelhead, that is not time to build confidence in FF program.  FF is not for shallow bite either really when fishing is super hot.  I think keeping expectations set right is important.   

Post Your Comment
4/27/18 @ 11:03 AM
sslayer
sslayer
USER since 6/9/06

One other point on using flashers. If you can't be there for the pre-dawn early light King bite. I'd be running one downrigger as close to the bottom as you can, like between 5' to 10'. There's a pucker factor involved but the big boys are resting after the first feed.

My deep flashers were nearly always a white blade with glow crushed ice on both sides.

3" Howie flies in LLB or LLB with some glow.

Good Luck

SS

Edited on 4/27/18 11:04 AM
Post Your Comment
4/26/18 @ 4:35 PM
mac da gaff
mac da gaff
MEMBER since 9/23/01

Ok, to answer some of the questions and add to this conversation, I do have a Depth Raider and now feel that I would give up my sonar before I live without the Depth Raider. Awesome tool.

But even with this speed at ball information I seem to struggle to hook up to the bigger kings. I might add that I seldom get the opportunity to fish the early bite. (darn job) But have like most of you out there great action in the last hr of light and 2 hrs after sunset. but here again spoons do the damage not the flashers. I run both divers with wire also, and have 2 riggers off the back side with cores (5&7) on skies and a full core down the shoot. The cores are firing off more often than the riggers and dipseys.

Any color patterns of flasher and fly that are better than others? I normally have 8" flashers with Leprechauns and Bull Frogs 28" behind. I will try tightening them up behind the release to 15 ft.

I appreciate your help and input, it seems that I am not alone in my spoon fetish but I'm determined to expand my arsenal!!

Mac

Post Your Comment
4/26/18 @ 8:40 AM
sslayer
sslayer
USER since 6/9/06

Keep your trolling direction parallel to the current, check the angle of the downrigger cable it should be straight back. Cutting across the current will change flasher action even if your probe speed is consistent.

The longer the lead from the downrigger ball the smaller the rotation pattern will be for a flasher, just the opposite of what you may think. So longer fly leaders also will decrease the fly action too. I'd never run a flasher more than 30' from the ball, 15' to 20' is about right.

Flashers on leadcore work great too. My best rig was a six color with a Spin Doctor Mountain Dew flasher (chartreuse blade, glow crushed ice tape on one side and chartreuse holographic tape on the other side) with a 3" green crinkle Howie fly with a 21" leader.

Good Luck

SS

 

Post Your Comment
4/25/18 @ 2:08 PM
markrazzy
markrazzy
USER since 6/23/09
I started running FF out of my kayak on torpedo's a few years ago.  Once the water sets up, I'll always have one out, usually on a 12 oz torpedo.  I only run the 8"ers with Poseidon Flies.  I'll 2nd reading through the Poseidon website - I had absolutely no clue on how to run FF's and am still learning - but have had a lot of success running them in the kayak based on that information.  In 2015, almost all of my summer kings came on FF.  In 2016 and 2017, it was much more of a mix, but my biggest ones tend to hit the FF.  2016 was a really weird year where kings were feeding all day, out of temp and literally hitting anything.  During Monday afternoon of SAR last year, I landed 4 kings, snapped off a couple in the yak (damn tangles).  Three of them were over 23 lbs with the big one being 27.95.  My general setup has an 8" flasher with a fly on a 12 oz torpedo on my Port side of the yak, a spoon on the starboard side with an 8 oz torpedo that I "play" off the FF with a longer lead, and then I run up to 10 colors of leadcore down the chute with either a spoon, plug, or crank.  My fly leaders vary from 24-27".  I know that's not the ideal way of doing it, but I usually go longer with my leaders during the day or in warmer water.  My 1st 23 lb king (yeah, I caught 4 23+ lb kings during SAR, all on FF) during SAR on the first Saturday hit my FF that was barely moving as I was fighting another king on my leadcore.  Probably something like a ball speed of 1.0 mph.  Like I said, I've gotten enough confidence in them that once the lake sets up, I'll have at least 1 out there (2 if they're really snapping on 'em).  I keep my flies paired with the flashers that have caught fish as well.  I'll also add, there's something about flies that have caught fish. I've got one that's probably caught 50 kings in 4 years... It's pretty mangled. It only comes out during tourney time now. The same fly that hasn't caught any fish yet doesn't do the trick. Time to take a scissors and thin it out. Tight lines this season!

Edited on 4/25/18 2:21 PM
Post Your Comment
4/25/18 @ 1:28 PM
X-Ray
X-Ray
USER since 3/30/15

Dipsy (wire or braid) paired with flasher fly dominates my king catch.  7 ft lead to the flasher (8") and 27" from flasher to the fly.  The pairing of the flasher and the fly is very important.  To be honest, it is also a specific combination that dominates the ff catch as well.  It is so dominate that I often wonder why I have any other combo.  Go to https://poseidonflies.wordpress.com/ and read the discussion on flasher flies for great lakes salmonids.  I follow that with the tweaks from Jason's class.

Post Your Comment
4/25/18 @ 12:50 PM
smeylink
smeylink
USER since 2/3/08

Don't loose the spoons but use them with FF.  Often time I think the FF combo brings fish into the spread and as they peel off they hit the spoons if not interested in your flasher/flies.

Run a 11" flasher with a 4" fly with some glow on both for early AM bite first light.  That will hit many days w/o question.  Early Am you don't need super long leads so say 30 ft behind the ball to start and extend as the day gets bright.

I run 1 11" and 1 8" flasher for early am.

On my lead core i have spoons for later season mix.  Coho prime time run 6" orange/red dodger with peanut flies for Coho with some spoons for hot action and run a 4" fly on DR or wire dipsy for a king.  

I normally run mostly FF on my DR and Dipsy setup and mix in a spoon.  Bonus king during Coho bite will light up the back of the boat in no time.  

I run 18" on peanut flies

21 on 4" flies

Peanuts if you run shorter that is fine some go down to 12" and on 4" files some go to 24".  Whatever you go with keep them all the same for each type and use your speed to alter the action is key.  Also run 40-50 leader on the files to give them more action.  I use Seaguar STS Salmon Fluorocarbon Leader Fishing Line, 50-Pound/100-Yard, Clear which is much easier on the wallet then some FL and loop up heavy leader knots on youtube.  Three hoops and one thru from the backside and slips down to the hook for easy hook connection for peanut files.  For 4" flies just snell the hook(s)  I use #1 treble and 4/0 single hook to tournament hook.  Guy named Bill has a youtube video that talks about the devil is in the detail and has a multi boat charter fleet.  

Post Your Comment
Displaying 1 to 10 of 13 Posts