Southern farmland zone doe tags
And yes, if you hunt or fish for that matter there is a responsibility of knowing before you go afield what game can be harvested and where. Daily!!! Internet connection, really the only way to find out. Come on, there are other ways to report harvest information. If you don't know, don't shoot. Checking daily to find out if otter trapping was still open wasn't hard at all.
And last year all the rule changes. What was said as far as making the counties their own unit!!!??? To cut down on units to make things simpler, Right? Now the cdac wants to create more units by creating new boundaries within counties to do what? Oh yeah make more units and more boundaries to go against the reasoning of last year. And to limit even further where a person can hunt.
VOTE NO!! to question #18
That specific question, echoes complaints that even occur regularly here... counties are different from one end to another and harvest should be regulated differently. The north end of Forest County is wooded with no deer, and the south end has ag and seeing crop damage, yet the whole county is under the same goal. Washburn County is the same that I've heard through the grapevine. They lie in the same zone, so the entire county is bound by the same goal.
This year, CDAC's have the option to make Youth antlerless tags invalid. That came from the hunters... zero quota should mean zero quota. So, here you go. In addition, overpopulated counties can initiate an antlerless only hunt... for all deer seasons! Think of that for a second... doe only deer season... gun and bow. Also, each county can control the number of "free" antlerless tags sold with each license for farmland zones... can be 1, or more.
In the next 3 year cycle, there will be an opportunity for counties to adjust boundaries between forest/farmland.
I will agree that there is a slippery slope to be had. What you can't do, is complain that the DNR isn't listening. They are giving us everything everyone is asking for. Yup, there's going to be a point where some counties are going to be worse than it was with DMU's.
We're getting what we ask for. We just need to be reasonable enough to know that just because we can, doesn't mean we should.
Here is one post from last year.
10/6/15 11:20 AM CST (edit this post) If you really want control, why not make buck tags county/land spicific? Than you can break the counties down into 4 quadrants and make a hunter further pick a land type!!! When will the restriction end? I'm guessing more to come. Hopefully everyone has only one spot they hunt and don't plan to move around.
Here is the question that will be asked at the spring hearing to yet limit your places an individual can hunt even more!!!!
18. Do you support the practice of allowing County Deer Advisory Councils to divide counties into multiple deer management units?
VOTE NO !!!!!!
People can believe those numbers the DNR throws out but they are far from accurate. At least the area's I hunt up north.
Seeing deer is what is the main thing to get kids in the hunt, I'm with GreatOutdoors on that. Give them a free tag and then don't see deer, they won't want to do that again. Heck, adults are that way too. 8 years of free tags though? That is delusional in my opinion, way overkill (pun intended) .
I had a spot last year with 1 doe. Every time I sat I saw her, she was the only one on my camera. Shoot her and I sit and see nothing, that spot is literally shot. Now if people do not move around much and hunt the same areas year to year, and they shoot the does around (they have 8 years to do it), now they are back to not seeing anything and kids getting sick of it. I see the same vehicles in spots year after year, I know people don't all move.
It's new, so in these first couple years changes are being phased in. That kind of hits on your "smaller, more measured steps" too.
Sounds like both are happening.
Nobody has come out against the youth hunt, or the youth tags here. There is no uproar. I'm with you, and quite honestly understand where you are coming from. I have 2 kids that hunt and fish. The youth privileges played (and still play) a big role in their outdoors activities today. All that was brought up was trying to acknowledge and respect underlying management goals while still giving an advantage to youth hunters. They still have the hunt, and still get an antlerless tag until they harvest their 1st deer. Then they follow along with everyone else. They may still have a free tag, it may be a bonus tag, or it may be buck only... depends on the underlying regulations. At some point, it's going to go that way. Is it better when they turn 18, and after 7 years of annual antlerless harvest they become the hunter mentioned earlier (PO'd with a pocket full of tags and no deer) or do they cross that bridge at a younger and more impressionable age when conservation and management can be taught? Either way, the tags go away at some point.
And while giving youth's their own weekend in October, and still providing an added opportunity for harvest of their 1st deer, we can still respect current advantages for our active military and disabled hunters to harvest a deer as well.
"If you need to take my doe tag away to allow kids to harvest one go ahead."
That's what is basically happening. Unfortunately, there is still complaining because we can't go from county to county with a single doe tag anymore.
Let's take Ashland county. Pretty low deer population. Now let's pretend there is 50/50 doe to buck ratio(this helps your arguement). The reality is probably higher doe amounts but that's ok. In 2014 there were 133 does harvested.
Now to the math. There are 2294 square miles in Ashland county. Again, we will give you the benefit of the doubt at 1/1doe to buck(yes I know the next arguement is I am not tracking fawns but in most populations you are still at more than 50% mature does). So 2294 square miles and a fall 2014 deer total of 8600. Half of those are mature does so 4300. Now divide 133 into 4300 to get kids, veterans, disabled, and any other exempt group killing just north of 3% of does. If we want to look at does harvest per square mile the number is still quite small. 133 into 2294 is .06 does harvested per square mile.
Let's not let emotion get in the way of facts. Cars, bears,wolves and coyotes are all bigger problems in the deer population than kids.