WHY WAS THE PEARL HARBOR THREAD REMOVED

12/7/04 @ 4:59 PM
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FISHON
FISHON
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HOPE IT WAS JUST AN OVER SIGHT.IF NOT PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHY IT WAS REMOVED !!!!

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12/9/16 @ 1:59 PM
SJB
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USER since 7/16/01

Hey Guys and Gals - if I took this off track that was not my intention.  My frustration is a lot of our military men and women died when they didn't need to because our top brass did not acknowledge the warnings.  I do not mean to minimize the loss of the lives, and actually just the contrary.  Every memorial weekend parade we go to, I have tears in my eyes thinking of our soliders who did not make it home.  I truely take it to heart that there are brave men and women protecting us, which allows the rest of us to live our lives. 

I know, being a Monday morning QB here, but while war was not declared yet, we knew war was going to happen, and being attacked was iminant.  We should have been in a war ready format.  Not all of our ships as sitting ducks.  Even the Japs today admit they took subs into Pearl Harbor and communitcated out to their leadership on where we had two or more ships lined up together so when the boming started, there was a better chance of hitting more than 1 ship.  When our lookout guy spotted the sub and shot at it, you would have thought our ships would have been put on high alert and guns ready.  That is not what happened.  We acted like it was just like any other Sunday.  There were many signs such as this stating we would be attacked.  Out top brass did nothing and in result, we had many more deaths than needed.    

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12/9/16 @ 11:46 AM
Cold Front
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My understanding is that with 20 20 hindsight there were signs that an attack was coming. The last chance to throw the alarm was when the radar station picked up a whole bunch of planes heading our way. They delayed the warning because they just couldn't believe that what they saw on the radar was actually correct. To understand it better, you need to understand the context of the era. Mrt.

Edited on 12/9/16 11:48 AM
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12/9/16 @ 8:59 AM
Dave (Golden)
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Unfortunately typical

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12/9/16 @ 8:25 AM
lildipper
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I thought this thread was about why the other thread was removed. I didn't read the other thread.  To answer your question; This thread turned into a senseless conspiracy thread meant to honor the fallen because the thread was erased which started a conspiracy. Maybe the Japanese had something to do with it, but that would be just a conspiracy....sorry.



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12/9/16 @ 7:25 AM
nihsif
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SJB...what's your point? OK...maybe there were "signs" that Japan and America were having issues, see about economic sanctions... but this was still a sneak attack.. no?


lildipper... what are you trying to say?


how did a thread meant to honor the fallen on an attack on American soil, that led America into WWII, turn into some  conspiracy theory discussion? ...absolutely senseless


Edited on 12/9/16 8:10 AM
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12/9/16 @ 3:09 AM
lildipper
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America has people with dual citizenship. For example; Israel is the only country that can be both American and Israeli. If a woman from China is visiting America and has a baby while she is here, that baby has American citizenship. So an attack on America would also be an attack on Israel and China. Native Americans would also have dual citizenship.

Jonathan Jay Pollard was an American-Israeli citizen who worked for the US government. He is well known because he stole more secrets from the U.S. than has any other spy in American history. During his interrogation Pollard said he felt compelled to put the "interests of my state" ahead of his own. Although as a U.S. Navy counter-intelligence specialist he had a top-secret security clearance, by "my state" he meant the state of Israel.

 

Literally tens of thousands of Americans holding U.S. passports admit they feel a primary allegiance to the state of Israel. In many instances, these Americans vote in Israeli elections, wear Israeli uniforms and fight in Israeli wars. Many are actively engaged both in the confiscation of Palestinian lands and in the Israeli political system. Three examples come to mind:

 

One is Rabbi Meir Kahane, who founded the militant Jewish Defense League in the U.S. in the 1960s, then emigrated to Israel where, eventually, he was elected to the Knesset. Until he was shot and killed at one of his U.S. fund-raising rallies in 1990, the Brooklyn-born rabbi shuttled between Tel Aviv and New York, where he recruited militant American Jews for his activities in Israel against Palestinians. He claimed to be a "dual citizen" of America and Israel.

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12/8/16 @ 9:34 PM
ifishwi
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FORGET the conspiracy theories. Those are just that... theory and here-say. No matter what is written in history, America has only one course when we are attacked. It's called response, and it is ALWAYS necessary. Any questions? 

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12/8/16 @ 3:06 PM
lildipper
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"attacked without warning"....Some people believe we were warned about 911 also. But was a good excuse to go to war by allowing the attack. But that is just conspiracy.

Edited on 12/8/16 3:08 PM
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12/8/16 @ 2:44 PM
Cold Front
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"Some believed....." No shortage of morons back then either. Mrt.

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12/8/16 @ 2:27 PM
SJB
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nihsif - "attacked without warning" - in not quite accurate.  We had warning, but failed to respond to it.  A lot of that history is covered up, but if you dig, you can find we knew of an attack coming - including subs that were seen a few hours prior to the attack.  But we failed to do anything about it. We still would have been attacked more than likely, but at least we would have been in a fighting position, versus sitting ducks.  Some believe that RFD allowed the attack to happen for his excuse to get into the war - but that is all conspiracy.   




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