Trailer surge brakes

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Fish-Will-Travel
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6/23/12 3:15 PM CST
I replaced the master cylinder and bled the brakes until I had a good flow of fluid. The brakes still do not engage. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!!!!

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6/30/12 11:32 AM CST
I copied these instructions below from Tie Down Engineering. It' a good place to start.

DIRECTIONS - VEHICLE WIRING - Free Backing Brake Solenoid 1. Disconnect trailer hitch and any wiring connectors from the vehicle.

2. Connect a 14 gauge wire to the backup (reverse) light wire of the vehicle. This wire should be of sufficient length to attach to the existing vehicle/trailer wire receptacle. The end of this wire will require a female end that will match the solenoid male connector wire.

3. For ease of use, tape or band the end of the reverse light wire to the vehicle’s trailer electrical connector.

Directions For Bleeding Trailer Brakes

2. Tie Down’s actuators feature a shock dampener that uses brake fluid from the master cylinder. The dampener must be primed before bleeding or using trailer. To prime the dampener, fill the master cylinder with DOT 3 brake Fluid. Push the coupler into the housing and slowly pull out 3 times, then refill master cylinder.

3. Use only DOT-3 heavy-duty hydraulic fluid in the Model 70LP actuator. Use a pressure type brake bleeder to bleed brakes. (This type of brake bleeder is available at your local automotive jobber.) Follow manufacturer’s directions. Or, manually bleed the brakes using a heavy-duty flat blade screwdriver inserted in the hole provided on top of the actuator near the front. Insert the screwdriver and use a pumping action to activate the master cylinder in order to bleed the brakes. See page 8 for more details.

To bleed master cylinder and brakes, the bleeder hose must be attached to the highest (top) valve on the caliper, on first wheel cylinder to be bled; if tandem axle trailer, bleed closest axle first, and the closest brake on that axle first. Use a loose end of hose from the bleeder valve submerged in a glass container of brake fluid to observe bubbling (hose must be submerged into clean brake fluid to keep air from traveling back into the brake cylinder). Loosen the bleeder screw located in the wheel cylinder one turn, the system is now open to the atmosphere. The bleeding operation for that brake is complete when bubbling stops. Be sure to tighten bleeder screw securely. Each wheel cylinder must be bleed until all air is out of the lines. Replenish the brake fluid during the bleeding process so the level does not fall below half full level in the master cylinder reservoir. When bleeding and testing is completed, make sure master cylinder is filled to 3/8” below the top of the reservoir and filler cap is securely in place.

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6/29/12 6:26 PM CST
You say you replaced the master cylinder. Did you bleed the master cylinder on the bench? You say you have good fluid flow, is that by actuating the master cylinder? If you answer yes to both questions check the trailer hitch to see that it moves freely and will actuate the master cylinder when braking.

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6/26/12 2:38 PM CST
Is it possable the cylender was installed backwards? Not trying to be a smart ass, just thinking of the easy stuff first. Maybe the lines got reversed. How did you test the brakes? There isnt much to the braking system so at least there isnt much to check!

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6/26/12 11:19 AM CST
I have disc brakes on the trailer. It has not worked from the time I replaced the master cylinder. I did not check the ground wire I will do so. Yes I do have the back-up solenoid for reversing.

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6/25/12 12:46 PM CST
I haven't seen a surge brake system with a reverse lock out solenoid,none of mine have it, makes sense wish I had it.

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6/25/12 12:20 PM CST
Surge brakes do use the reverse light wire and ground to a solinoid so you can back the boat up. Do you have drum or disk brakes?

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6/25/12 8:24 AM CST
Like PopTop says, and surge brakes don't have any wires

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6/24/12 9:46 PM CST
I just had my bass boat trailer in for a similar problem. Brakes would not engage and they would lock up when trying to back up. They thought it was the solenoid, but it ended up being a bad ground wire. You might want to follow the ground wir and see if it is nicked or cut somewhere.

Good luck! Smile

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6/24/12 9:00 PM CST
did you check the wheel cylinders they may be froze up. what about adjustment on the shoes they should be adjusted so they make slight contact with the drum. what about the slide machanism make sure it's not froze up.

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