Deer success rate

4/9/18 @ 11:19 PM
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OO Buckshot
OO Buckshot
USER since 10/4/05

In light of the archery season question at this year's spring hearing I decided to break down the success rate based on licenses sold vs harvest numbers.

Numbers are for 2017-18 season

Gun deer (includes regular, youth, muzzleloader and all antlerless)

License sold 582,281

Deer killed 227,645

Kill Rate 39%


Regular Archery

License sold 152,660

Deer Killed 45,166

Kill Rate 29%


Cross bow

Licenses sold 82,660

Deer killed 47,228

Kill Rate 57%

With the current season frame work a hunter using a crossbow has a 18% higher success rate than any other form of weapon.  Almost 2x the success rate over a verticle bow.

Edited on 4/9/18 11:29 PM
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4/17/18 @ 5:40 PM
madforlabs
madforlabs
USER since 12/20/12

So.... what if we look at this from a trending standpoint? Moving forward, I see the following:

- The number of x bow hunters and the number of deer ( both does AND bucks) harvested will continue to increase at a rapid pace.

- The number of vertical bow hunters will remain the same or possibly decrease somewhat. Harvest numbers and ratio's will remain approx. what we are seeing today.

- The number of gun hunters will likely decrease, and will do so at a more rapid rate than they have been in recent years.

- The number of hunters harvesting two bucks in a season will increase substantially. This will be due to the rapidly increasing number of xbow hunters along with their dramatically higher success rate compared to vertical bow hunters. I'd wager that nearly all xbow hunters also hunt with a gun so it stands to reason that a big increase in 2 buck/season harvests is forthcoming.

Now, this is only speculation on my part, but I think it makes sense given the trending we have seen since xbows were legalized for the masses.

Increased buck harvest is going to further lower the average age of animals harvested and will negatively affect the quality of the deer herd. Those of us who target mature deer are going to see fewer of them. No question.

This brings us back to assertions made by numerous others including myself. Namely, that as seasons are liberalized in terms of both weapon choice and duration, it makes sense to go to a one buck/season harvest strategy. This provides hunters an opportunity to hunt with the weapon(s) of their choice and (perhaps) gets people to think a bit more selectively about what they harvest, be it buck, doe or both.

All this being said, I highly doubt the Wisconsin DNR would ever go for a one buck rule. They seem hell bent on managing based upon two criteria; 1. Maximal harvest that hunters are willing to accept, and 2. Maximum revenue that can be sustained thru license sales.

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4/17/18 @ 5:30 PM
drummer boy
drummer boy
USER since 3/14/08

I know of three from one crossbow (hunter),I helped track.He is just a gun hunter .

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4/17/18 @ 4:57 PM
cheese nips
cheese nips
USER since 2/3/09

I wish there were a way to determine failure rates. How many deer are lost due to lack of a pass through .How many vertical bow archers are using light arrows and expandable broadheads resulting in lost deer. Maybe they need to put a speed limit on both weapons which would force many to use a heavier arrow/bolt resulting in more kinetic energy and better penetration. I don't know of any xbow deer shot and lost but I know many are shot and lost with vertical bows.  Just a thought. 

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4/17/18 @ 4:24 PM
ere
ere
USER since 2/22/07

Oh my lord, a catastrophic drop in the deer kill. Or, someone shot my buck.

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4/17/18 @ 3:27 PM
Fishsqueezer
Fishsqueezer
USER since 5/19/06

11,000 bucks is about one for every 4 square miles of deer range. Buck harvest (not buck population) densities averaged around 3.3ish per square mile statewide, or better than 13 for every four square miles. Adding 0.25 bucks for every square mile of deer range won’t really do much. Most of those 11,000 “second bucks” undoubtedly came off private land on the southern half of the state so for you northwoods public land guys, it’d could possibly mean about a buck for every ten square miles or so that “gets to live.” Hunters harvesting two bucks is not a problem. Natural mortality probably accounts for more buck deaths statewide. More probably get hit by cars in an average year with 20413 deer collisions reported to DOT in 2016. How many are not reported? 

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4/17/18 @ 2:29 PM
BeerTownFyreman
BeerTownFyreman
USER since 6/15/01

I think we know who the "whine babies" are on this subject.

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4/17/18 @ 2:15 PM
Fish Hound
Fish Hound
USER since 1/29/02

"They aren't like the X bow whine babies. They pick up a ML because it's closer to archery in that it's one shot and more of a challenge"

The idiocracy of that statement doesn't even warrant any type of reply, but I couldn't resist because I actually feel a bit sorry for you after reading that.

Edited on 4/17/18 2:16 PM
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4/17/18 @ 1:51 PM
lakeshiner
lakeshiner
USER since 7/20/09

Oh I read that wrong, I thought it said 11,000 bucks.  Whoops, disregard my comment.  My lack of caring on the crossbow subject has removed my ability to double check my work.

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4/17/18 @ 1:46 PM
.Long Barrels
.Long Barrels
USER since 12/9/14

I agree with you SNAP,  group hunting must go but how do you enforce that?  

11,000 bucks is 11,000,  no matter how you slice it.  I don't care what the % is of licensed hunters.  That is 11k more bucks that get one more year to live.

Most ML are more accurate than a rifle.  Let's not pretend that the ML is some type of primitive weapon.  If you are shooting the new inlines with a scope,  one shot is all you need.  whether it's 40 yards or 200.  The folks that shoot ML don't care about hunting during rifle season and after.  They aren't like the X bow whine babies.  They pick up a ML because it's closer to archery in that it's one shot and more of a challenge.  

if you are shooting a smooth bore with round balls,  you are awesome!  I'd like to shake your hand.


Edited on 4/17/18 1:57 PM
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4/17/18 @ 12:10 PM
madforlabs
madforlabs
USER since 12/20/12

+1 Beertown.  Hoping the door hits him hard in the azz on the way out!!

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