Do you like public hunting and fishing land?

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SwizzleStick
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12/12/11 6:54 AM CST

Our DNR secretary wants you to have less.

MADISON - Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources Secretary Cathy Stepp said Nov. 29 she would listen to a proposal to sell DNR-owned land as a way to infuse cash into the agency's budget.

Speaking at the Dairy Business Association's Business Conference, Stepp responded affirmatively to a proposal by Emerald dairy farmer John Vrieze, who suggested that DBA members across the state should come up with a list of properties that are not environmentally sensitive that the DNR could sell and return to the tax roll.

Vrieze's proposal came after Stepp told DBA members the DNR is 15 years behind in developing a management plan for some of the land it owns.

"We have land we can't manage now and we're buying more," Stepp said. "That would be like saying to my husband, ‘We have a house with a really leaky roof, but let's go buy a vacation home.' It's about ... making sure we take care of what we've got and then being very discriminate about looking at other unique opportunities. But let's really work on getting our house in order."

Vrieze said the DBA and others could help the DNR come up with a list of land it doesn't need to own.

The DNR doesn't need the underutilized assets," Vrieze said. "We could help you identify those lands to turn into cash and use on land you should be taking care of."

http://thecountrytoday.com/front_page/article_8552b7a2-20de-11e1-ba61-0019bb2963f4.html

Contact Cathy and tell her you are against this.

dnrsecretary@wisconsin.gov


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Summers Off
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7/15/12 6:52 PM CST
Two dollar anterless deer tags are just wrong. I hope the Wisconsin deer hunters learned their lesson....maybe not....just imagine if what is going on for three weeks during the gun, muzzleloader and anterless deer seasons could take place year around. It can't help the population. Just because it is going on, doesn't make it right. I am glad I own 80 acres in an area that is heavy in agriculture and quality deer management. Quality needs to be stressed over quantity.

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7/13/12 9:42 AM CST
As long as they can't shoot em up all year legally than the deer have a chance. It's pretty easy to just tell someone to move isn't it? Been there for 40 years, not going to happen. Wink

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7/12/12 3:12 PM CST
I don't know how the DMAP program would have any affect on that group. They can already shoot as many deer as they have tags for. What possible outcome of having them enrolled in a DMAP program could make it worse? If you have neighbors like that I fear you are screxxd anyway. I would think about selling honestly if it is that bad.

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7/12/12 2:20 PM CST
Yep they will work with the state to hunt all year long and shoot all of them all year long. Think about it. These folks live on deer all year round if they can without getting caught. Now they will and not have to worry. What ever deer where lucky to survive the end of deer season won't be so lucky when they get it all year long.

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7/12/12 1:06 PM CST
So they shot everything up on their own lands already? That is different from the doomsday scenario how? It's like you are saying if the program is implemented they will do exactly what they currently are doing.

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7/12/12 12:31 PM CST
JC do you own your own hunting land or do you only hunt other peoples? You keep commenting like you don't own land. Just curious. We happen to have some neighbors around us who if given the chance would shoot every deer they see. Every day of hunting season except on Sundays. This new program would just open up the door for them to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only one concerned. Wink

It got so bad the last 4 years that they pack up and head over to the county forest cause they shot all they could on all there own lands. 30-40 hunters at a crack. I'm not just making this up.

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7/12/12 11:30 AM CST
What is flabbergasting to me is how people can associate kroll's recommendations with trying to turn WI into a high fence game farm. Obviously they haven't read the report.

Do you honestly think that the DMAP will cause private landowners to wipe out the herd by being given extra antlerless tags? Not going to happen. The landowners will not shoot too many deer on their property, and they already have access to just about unlimited tags but have chosen not to use them. Hopefully the DMAP program would inform landowners that shooting antlerless deer helps the herd, and would therefore improve the population disparity between public and private lands. Harvesting more deer on private land would only help to reduce the need for the DNR to up the number of antlerless tags for an entire unit which would only help all publicly accessible lands. Not hard to figure out.

The current program is clearly not working, and private landowners will not decimate the herd on their property obviously. The DMAP program can only help, but I doubt it would help all that much. Definitely doesn't seem like it would hurt anyone else.

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7/12/12 7:25 AM CST
Well they did buy the land/easement of 44,679 acres in northern WI and another decent size chunk that I saw in the latest article of WON, but I forget where that was (I didn't read it yet, just saw headline). So the amount of public land isn't exactly going down.

Hitchhiker - Unlimited tags, how is that any different than unlimited $2 tags now? I have a guy with 900 acres by me with all kinds of bait plots and he piles up the does every year because of $2 tags. I'd be surprised if that policy was implemented in that many places, it would be the least of my worries.

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7/12/12 6:59 AM CST
Told ya all so. Walker is going to try to liquidate our lands to make himself some $$- this is what he did time and time again in Milwaukee. Now this Croll knob wants to turn our state into a Texas Pen Hunt experience. No thanks- don't let the door hit you on the way back down to Texas, Jimmy!

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7/11/12 5:44 PM CST
@ G.O. "Also, I don't believe I stated that the DNR wasn't selling land. I'll freely admit that they are, and I support them getting rid of dead weight so that we can acquire and implement parcels that better recreational opportunities than what they are looking to jettison. Curious as to why you are putting the burden of proof on me. I'll tell you right now, I have not been able to find any examples of prime public hunting grounds being offered for sale"

I apologize it was not you who stated there were no lands for sale. I came to this thread late and only read through a handful of responses and confused yours with someone else’s.

As far as buying and selling public land it should be public with public hearings. That is my problem with what is going on. Even though we have documented proof there is land being sold no one knows what parcels are for sale or considered for sale. And having the DNR secretary saying she is open to having special interest groups make a list of what they would like sold is very disturbing.

Please excuse my concern but this was tried before in the 90’s. And walker gave himself so much more power I believe he can do it without public input. I am sorry, but I don’t think that is right.

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7/11/12 5:39 PM CST
That DMAP system is just another way to pound the heard like before only a different angle. You guys aren't seeing the big picture here. Wink

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7/11/12 5:32 PM CST
Lakeshiner, it would be unlimited tags, you could have a neighbor with food plots kill as many antlerless deer as they choose. Those deer do not belong to them why, because they own land do they get to manage the deer in the surrounding environment?

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7/11/12 5:19 PM CST
BTF, that was not a land purchase that was an easement agreement. Far different but yes in this case it was a very good thing, hopefully they will be able to purchase that land some day.

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7/11/12 4:36 PM CST
"G.O. What in gods name do you need to do to improve hunting land to make it usable? If you leave it alone it will manage itself. That was one of the most ignorant statements ever from a DNR secretary saying they were years behind on land management. They are years behind on things that they would like to do, not things that are imperative to create habitat."

Personally, I don't think much is needed to improve hunting land. However, since land purchased by the DNR isn't just for hunting, they like to do things like put up their signs, create maps, blaze trails, create parking areas, etc. that all cost time and money after the closing is completed. What good does it do to blow your funds on captial costs and then not have enough to get the properties operational?

Also, I don't believe I stated that the DNR wasn't selling land. I'll freely admit that they are, and I support them getting rid of dead weight so that we can acquire and implement parcels that better recreational opportunities than what they are looking to jettison. Curious as to why you are putting the burden of proof on me. I'll tell you right now, I have not been able to find any examples of prime public hunting grounds being offered for sale. Not sure why I need to look for it, I'm not the one claiming they are trying to get rid of prime public hunting spots. This thread is titled "Do you like public hunting and fishing land?" Those who started and perpetuated the message are claiming that the DNR is in the process of getting rid of our hunting and fishing lands and are going to privatize deer hunting. Here and on other forums I have continually asked people to provide me one specific and legitimate example of good public hunting grounds that are being sold. I have received nothing. Frankly, I'm getting sick of this smokescreen from people with an axe to grind with the Walker Administration. If you've got anything of substance to say, I'd love to hear it.

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If the state was truly interested in selling off all the public land, then why did they just announce the largest land purchase in Wisconsin history last May?

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