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12/2/13 @ 8:37 PM
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Brent Hess
Brent Hess
PRO MEMBER User since 12/18/07
Given that most of us are avid outdoorsmen, I thought this was worth passing on.   The overwhelming majority of folks with Lyme disease have no idea what they have, and many times end up with a false diagnosis of Fibromyalgia, or no diagnosis at all.  Now that I finally have a diagnosis of advanced Lyme disease (about 4 months now), I’ve ran across two people with similar symptoms, who as it turns out, also have Lyme disease.   Lyme disease is showing up in more and more people every year.   The Milwaukee Journal recently ran a story about this on the front page.   Lyme disease is misunderstood by most physicians, and the standard test for Lyme disease is only accurate around 60% of the time.   Here is how it started for me…. About 4 years ago I began to have aches and pains in weird places – shooting pains in the back of my head, shin, and forearm.   This went on for a year or so.  Nobody could figure out what it was, so I just dealt with it.  My primary care physician gave me an Elisa Lyme test.  It showed no Lyme infection, so he told me to take Advil when it got too bad.   Over the next year my ears began to ring, and my joints (hips, elbows, knees) began to hurt.  I went to a Neurologist, and a Rheumatoid doctor, they also gave me an Elisa Lyme test, which again turned out negative.  By this time, I was beginning to realize that something was seriously wrong with me, only nobody could find it.  I was tired with limited energy most days.   I had MRI’s and Cscans, arthritis tests, MS tests, and a dozen others that I can't recall – no one could find a darn thing wrong with me.   Slowly but surely, in addition to the symptoms noted above, new symptoms showed up steadily for the next two years.  I began to have GI problems coupled with chest pain.  I went through all sorts of GI tests from an upper GI endoscopy, to a test for esophagitis, to esophageal spasms.  All turned up negative.  Then my heart began to beat erratically, and I underwent a nuclear stress test.  Again, nobody could find a darn thing wrong with me.   Then this past Summer, things got so bad that I would get turned around in the town where I live, and had a hard time remembering how to get to my house, I was easily confused.  I felt like I was walking around in a daze.  I had a hard time thinking, and it became difficult to get out of bed.   The worst symptom I had was a feeling of anxiety in my chest.  Not sure how to describe it – I felt like I was going on trial for Capital Murder the next day.   It was just plain horrible.   It came to head when I was driving with my wife and kids (in the town that I live in), and I went the wrong way down a one way street.  Thank heavens nobody was coming. My wife talked me into going to Mayo - somebody had to be able to figure out what was wrong with me.     I ended up confiding in a coworker that I was going to take a leave of absence, and was going to Mayo to see if they could figure out what was wrong with me.  I was beyond desperate at this point.  I truly thought I was dying.  I hurt absolutely everywhere, my BP  was 150 over 110, I was anxious all the time.   Thank the lord my co-worker had some experience with Lyme, and pointed me to the right doctor.  I was skeptical because I had already tested negative for Lyme 3 times by 3 different doctors. Even though I was skeptical, I made the appointment.  The Lyme doctor gave me a CD57 test, which is an extremely effective test for Lyme disease.   The doctor explained that the Lyme test that is typically given by a general MD is extremely inaccurate, and should not be relied upon when a negative diagnosis is given. At any rate, the CD57 test works like this:   A level of less than 20 will put you in a wheelchair, a level of 20 to 60 is an extremely active infection, 60 to 150 represents  a Lyme infection, and anything above 200 is considered normal.  I had a 42.  I can’t even imagine the poor guy who has less than 20. I’ve been on Doxycycline for 3.5 months now and am slowly recovering.   Here is the really crazy part.  After I received a Lyme diagnosis I happened to see my cousin camping, who I do not see frequently.  Before he sat down to the campfire he started stretching, then began to tell me how bad he hurts.  After I listened, I told him to go see a Lyme specialist, his symptoms were spot on with mine.  Oddly enough, as it turns out, he had Lyme disease too.  Then while working with an outside contractor at work, one of the guys was telling me about his sudden aches and pains.  They were not spot on with mine, but pretty close.  He also ended up with a diagnosis of Lyme.  Both my cousin and the contractor had been tested previously for Lyme and tested negative.   I figure, as many of us on this site who spend a considerable time outdoors, I can’t be the only one, and thought I would share what I know.  Lyme manifests itself in so many different ways.  I don’t ever recall being bit by a tick, I never had a bullseye rash, I just started to get symptoms.   I can't tell you how awesome it was to finally get a definitive diagnosis.
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7/25/22 @ 5:18 PM
Brent Hess
Brent Hess
PRO MEMBER User since 12/18/07
7/25/22 @ 5:13 PM
Brent Hess
Brent Hess
PRO MEMBER User since 12/18/07

Jimmer-

The absolute minimum is 21 days, with 4-6 weeks being common.  Anything less than that, and you run the risk of not 100% wiping it out, and it coming back stronger. 

The CD57 test is not accepted by the CDC, (however I should mention that the CDC also doesn’t believe chronic Lyme disease exists), so take that with a grain of salt. 

In a nutshell, the CD57 is more useful for benchmarking treatment progress than diagnosis itself. Most folks with an active Lyme infection have a CD57 score of <60.  Whereas a healthy person will have a CD57 score of >300. They typically treat you with Doxy until your CD57 score is 200 or above. I was on Doxy for almost 2 years before I was able to get back to a fairly normal / active life. (I had undiagnosed Lyme for years) Also, exceedingly few labs are proficient at administering a CD57 test. 

As for treatment protocol, Here is a good link

It’s important to note that very few doctors are proficient with Lyme, it’s not that your doctor doesn’t want to help you, it’s just a specialty like oncology or cardiology, for Lyme doctors - it’s all they do…




7/25/22 @ 2:55 PM
Woods-N-Water
User since 9/17/16

I was recently diagnosed and was diagnosed within a week or 2 of symptoms.  Went through the 10 day doxy treatment and had symptoms return 2 weeks after completing.  Now on doxy for another 30 day course.

7/25/22 @ 1:38 PM
Pool8
User since 1/27/17

I was on it 21 days, I was undiagnosed for around 9 or 10 months I believe.  I had all the symptoms but the rash , never put 2 and 2 together. I could've slept 24 hours a day. I was feeling better after 3 days as far as being tired, my joints took longer. 

 Not sure if the test is covered. 

 The county did call me to verify a positive test at the time.

7/25/22 @ 1:23 PM
the Jimmer
the Jimmer
User since 1/11/05

For the past month or so I’ve been noticing that I tire more easily than usual, especially when I am working hard, physically, and then not feeling rested in the mornings. About three weeks ago I started having some pretty significant neck pain and headaches. Then late last week I started getting some round/oval rash marks on my chest. Three days later the rash was all over my upper torso. 

I went to the doc yesterday and they started me on 10-day run of doxy. Just got a call that the ELISA came back positive. Been down this road a few times now. 

Any thoughts on whether a person should be requesting a longer regimen of the doxy, or if it’s needed? 

Also, is the CD-57 typically covered by insurance? 

Hopefully everybody on this thread is recovered or on their way to it. 

Thanks. 

6/28/22 @ 6:59 PM
Brent Hess
Brent Hess
PRO MEMBER User since 12/18/07

I recall that as well sh!

I had 1/2 dozen Elisha Lyme tests from my primary care, rhuem doc, neurologist, etc, all negative…  They suspected I had lupus, MS, Fibro, even a brain tumor, however everything kept coming back negative, while I got sicker and sicker. 

Interestingly, there is a sweet spot for the Elisha Lyme test. For many, they will not test positive until 4 to 6 weeks after exposure. For others who are unfortunate enough to not have a diagnosis for years, and years, they will typically test for antibodies, as the bacteria by that point has burrowed itself deep into your muscles and nerves. 

New estimates show that the Elisha Lyme test may miss up to 50% of diagnosis's, and so many suffer without understanding why or what is wrong with them. 

The only fool proof way is to get a Lyme panel by Igenex - they are the best in the biz! 


6/28/22 @ 6:03 PM
Skihog
Skihog
User since 4/7/22

I've been on it for 6yrs.....but I manage....they told me for yrs I was negative.....wrong!

6/28/22 @ 4:39 PM
Brent Hess
Brent Hess
PRO MEMBER User since 12/18/07

Quester,

That has always been the case, around 30-40% of folks never get a bull’s-eye rash…

Skihog-

A CD57 test is more useful for benchmarking progress of treatment than an initial diagnosis.  A normal person typically has a score of 500 or above, someone with an active Lyme infection is typically going to be under 200.  LLD’s typically treat their patients with Doxy or a similar antibiotic until the CD57 score rises above 200, then they let your body do the rest. I was on antibiotics for darn near two years, as I was undiagnosed for years…

6/26/22 @ 7:32 PM
Skihog
Skihog
User since 4/7/22

Cd57...done.... 

I'm back to almost normal

6/26/22 @ 7:26 PM
Quester
User since 1/28/07

i heard there are 2 types of Lyme disease now, one with bullseye rash and another that does not show rash.

6/26/22 @ 7:25 PM
Pool8
User since 1/27/17

Never had the bullseye,  if it's  on your head you'd never see it. I had every symptom just never put it together.  The neck ache was a son of a buck and the screaming head aches.  I stated earlier I have reumitoid arthritis and it mimics it . You have to insist on a test.

Had one buried in my stomach a year later.  They just gave me ten days worth of doxy , no test.

6/26/22 @ 7:13 PM
deerhunter34
User since 10/8/01

Good luck Woods-N-Water.  From my experience to diagnose it early like you may have is good.  And as Brent says, getting some doxycycline for it will be good.

6/26/22 @ 7:06 PM
Bassmaster+recordracks 2
Bassmaster+recordracks 2
PRO MEMBER User since 7/24/20

Looks like I never caught from I think it was 2 years ago. Got the shot of antibiotics when they took it out. Had all the symptoms before and after but 2 tests came back negative. Too many other pains to deal with. Lol.   

6/26/22 @ 6:47 PM
BâssÂddîçt ©¸
BâssÂddîçt ©¸
PRO MEMBER User since 6/15/01

And yes I did have the bull size rash

That's why they thought I had lymes from a get-go

6/26/22 @ 6:45 PM
BâssÂddîçt ©¸
BâssÂddîçt ©¸
PRO MEMBER User since 6/15/01

I got limes in the '80s they kept sending my lap results up to University of Madison but this was a long time ago results kept coming unconclusive

I was starting to  high fevers I finally said is the treatment going to kill me they finally decided to throw the whole kitchen sink at me I the Rocky mountain spotted ticker treatment the the current treatment for lymes and antibiotics

I've been fine ever since

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