Guys....haven't fished the bay in the fall...just windering if there are a good number of walleyes in the lower bay...would launch out of metro or should i just put the boat away and wait until may.
Thanks for the help!!
rngrwpn, I run hummingbird and find different results on returns. I absolutely know I'm on walleye when I see long thin lines on my graph....cause that's all I will catch. Perch are very short thin wavy lines. Sheep head/ catfish are thick blobs. I'll be in Green Bay this week, so I'll try to take some screen shots (if I get on some).
Jerry- we appreciate your posts very much! I have noticed similar patterns on Winnebago. Marking fish near the bottom only to find that those fish are sheeps. Then running shorter leads up higher in the water column will produce walleyes. Each day/outing can be different, but I like many others are guilty of thinking that walleyes are typically "bottom feeders" when they can be at any depth in the water column depending on any number of variables. And further to your point, we should all keep open minds about searching, trying finding fish, and varying our presentation slightly. Anything I see on fishing shows, or hear about via other fishermen, I will try to remember and use when traditional methods aren't working. Many thanks and have a great fall season! Tight line fellas!
The which fish is it on your 2d and side scan can be hard to decipher at first. Oddly I PMed Jerry about 60 days ago with the same question. I had already been doing research and had purchased some of Doc Sonars videos...yet I was having some very sheepy days after searching and a few days where I couldn't get them to go and I dropped the camera down to find white fish.
So....I run Lowrance and I prefer pallet 14 as it will give a bright green mark in the center of a hard return while keeping the bottom of the lake brown. (standard pallet is yellow in the middle but it doesnt pop like the green does in pallet 14). I use 14 no matter what when I am on plane and searching due to the pop of the green color which has helped.
What has helped the most is doing more fishing at night. I have never caught a drum in the dark...only walleyes and muskies...of course cats do eat at night, but I have never had them hit while trolling in the dark, only when the bait is close to bottom and barely moving.
What I found from the videos, talking to people and confirmed at night is that a walleye will typically have a thicker and longer return than any other fish. A whitefish will produce a return longer than a walleye will, but it will be skinny(I believe this is because they dont get spooked as easy as a walleye and swim out of the transducer cone). Sheeps typically will not have the bright green on 14 or yellow of 1 (unless sensitivity is cranked up) and they return as blobs/short returns.
Walleyes make what look like awesome arches.
On side scan I have found that walleyes are longer and more defined. Where sheeps are more round, good sized, but round.
What can be tough is some times you will just mark the bait and it can be hard to find or identify larger fish. Downscan has helped me here and so has playing with pallete colors.
I also feel that eyes spook easier in that 3-15mph range - they dont have time to get out of your cone when your doing 15+ and they arent as spooky when your not making a large wake/noise.
I have put a solid 90 days in looking into this and the feedback Jerry provided got me further down the path...The night fishing has gotten me locked in.
The only other thing I could share would be graph pictures to help you learn what took me months and lots of time testing on the water. I will try to see if I have some shots on my phone and I will try to upload. I do feel this is the most important mystery to the modern day fisherman and would love to hear from others.
Jerry, I have never had a problem marking fish, but how do you determine they are good fish (walleyes) vs. not-so-good fish (sheephead/catfish)? Understandably, you have an opportunity to fish it much more often than I do (4 hrs away).
Last time up there, we were in the basin marking a ton of fish. Many tight to bottom, some just off bottom, and others suspended all the way to the top. We found schools of baitfish scattered as well.
Were are these mudflats I hear about? Been out a handful of times and have no clue were I am at regarding landmarks. Last Friday marked fish around 10 to 15 fow. Just call me clueless, haha. also were can I find the perch? I have a friend from LL, that would like to know. Just PM me some coords on were to go.