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mthompson
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6/30/14 3:15 PM CST
I have to correct my statement that nobody treats Little Elkhart. A member of the Association contacted me and maintains that they are actively managing both EWM and CLP on Little Elkhart. The last time my company was involved was 5 years ago, and the last request for bid for plant management we received was 2011. I have not seen any public notifications or permit applications on the lake (all public documents), so I assumed incorrectly that they were not treating.

Sorry for any confusion I may have caused.

mthompson
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6/30/14 10:40 AM CST
I am the applicator that treated Crystal Lake. Here are the facts about the treatment...

We treated 28 acres for the invasive plant Eurasian watermilfoil, using an amine formulation 2,4-D product. (See the WDNR fact sheet here: WDNR 2,4-D Fact Sheet) The amine formulation is NON-toxic to fish at max label rates of 4 mg/L. This toxicity testing was conducted on larval fish, which would be much more susceptible than adult fish. We treated the 28 acres at half of that, 2 mg/L. On the day of treatment we noticed many 6" sized bluegills dead around the lake, prior to treatment, and I personally notified our DNR coordinator of these fish (and this internet speculation is why I did so).

We are mandated by the DNR to treat Eurasian watermilfoil and Curlyleaf pondweed early in the season so that we minimize the impacts to native plant species. This is so that the invasives are knocked out, and there is room for native plant communities to establish themselves. We aren't just going out and, willy-nilly, spraying "poison". We make many trips to the lakes to survey plant populations for our acreages and so that we are sure that conditions are good for an effective treatment. Then, we use herbicides in concentrations with very narrow ranges of susceptibility for the targeted species. The treatment on Crystal Lake was very effective at this goal, as EWM has been knocked down where, on the day of treatment, it was topped out or nearly topped out in almost 100% of the treatment zone acreage.

As far as fish dying, I have a fisheries biology bachelors degree and a masters degree in fish health/nutrition, so I have some expertise on this subject. You have to realize that fish are coming out of a very harsh winter, and then experienced a very compressed spring warm-up. This dumped them straight into "spawning mode" (more stress) before they could recover a bit from the winter. A fish's immune system is strongly tied to their stress levels. When fish are stressed, their immune system is compromised, and this opens them up to infection from many angles including opportunistic bacteria and fungus that are not pathogens under normal conditions. Seeing a hundred fish die in a population of 10's of thousands, after a winter we had, you should feel good about it.....

Look at Little Elkhart. Nobody treats EWM out there. The EWM biomass is so large, that when it starts to decompose in late winter it strips the entire lake of oxygen...complete fish kill. Then EWM chokes the lake out in summer so you can't fish (irrelevant now), swim, or boat. These conditions are what we are preventing on Crystal Lake; Three weeks after treatment, and the EWM is gone and native plants are flourishing. You won't see surface matting of EWM this year on Crystal. The native plants will allow native insects to flourish, which in turn feeds the fish.

Trust me when I say this, if 2,4-D would harm a single fish, the DNR would not allow us to treat. Period. They routinely deny us treatment areas if there is a small chance that a native plant will be harmed (not even killed, simply set back a bit this year). They are very strict on what they allow us to do.

All of the information about this treatment and every other lake treatment in the state is freely available to anyone that asks us or the DNR. We put up posting signs that have all of the information about the treatment and all of the contact numbers. We do this for a reason, so that if you have questions/concerns/comments, you are able to get a hold of us.

My cell phone number is 920-579-1878...call me anytime you have questions.

As a side note, a friend and I fished Crystal Lake on Sunday, June 22nd, for two hours in the late afternoon and boated 17 bluegills that we kept.

Dan333
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6/29/14 9:38 PM CST
The panfish are still dying 18 days after the spraying went down. Was out Saturday and the fishing still sucks. Saw two different guys fishing off their docks and they also said the fishing sucks since they sprayed for weeds and they have also noticed many dead fish. The very tough winter with all the ice we had, The late spring, The spraying while the panfish were in full spawning mode may have been the perfect storm for a major kill. I have to wonder who makes the decisions to spray for weeds. I never have believed that the weed growth on this body of water was ever out of control enough to spray for the weeds. I hope the damage done does not ruin a very good thing here.

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6/29/14 3:19 PM CST
I also live on crystal and had a notice slapped on the end of our dock a few weeks ago, several days later there was 10-15 gills floating under the dock and on the edge of shore

Dan333
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6/17/14 9:53 PM CST
No I have not. But I have read some on line forums and info on the subject that are very interesting.

BUCKJAMMER
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6/17/14 9:26 PM CST
Dan333

Have you or anyone you know questioned the DNR on this issue?

bluegillfreak
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6/16/14 8:16 AM CST
I've seen the same thing on sheboygan co lakes. I always wonder what it does to the fish fry that have been spawned as they always seem to spray around bass &blue gill spawning times. Sad.

Dan333
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6/16/14 6:24 AM CST
BUCKJAMMER

I have seen the same thing on all the Sheboygan County Lakes after spraying for weeds. Not only this year, but in years past as well. I also have a very hard time catching quality fish for one to two weeks after the spraying takes place. The DNR and most of the residents on the lakes that spray for weeds will tell you that it wont hurt the Fish. However the odd coincidences that occurs and I have witnessed of dead fish (on more than 3 lakes) after the spraying, is enough evidence for me to believe that is does harm the fish. Unfortunately I don't believe that the spraying for weeds will ever stop.

[This post was last edited on 6/16/14 at 6:27 AM]
BUCKJAMMER
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6/15/14 8:09 AM CST
I live on crystal lake and have seen a lot of nice bluegills floating around dead in the last few days. I think they sprayed the weeds this week. I'm not sure if that's normal but there is a lot of dead fish out there.

Get Hooked
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5/29/14 10:19 PM CST
68 - 70 degrees

Mr. Gill
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5/29/14 12:06 PM CST
Any water temps here? TIA

ItsaBiggin
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5/14/14 11:12 PM CST
Water temps? On crystal or any other lakes in area. Please post as accessing messenger on mobile doesn't work.

bassmaster23
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5/13/14 6:56 PM CST
The Kettle Moraine Bass Anglers Weeknight Fishing League starts tomorrow! Visit Sheboyganbass.com for more information.

A new lake is fished every week. Weeknight tournaments are open to anyone. Entry is $10/boat + an (optional) $5/person for big bass. Heaviest 2 bass and big bass each night take the cash.

First event is this Wednesday, May 14 on Crystal Lake from 5:30 to 8:00.

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4/27/14 7:43 PM CST
Into bass fishing? Consider joining the kettle moraine bass anglers local fishing club. Anglers of any age and experience level are welcome. Next meeting is this tuesday , April 29 in Sheboygan falls. Small membership and tournament fees. Check out Sheboyganbass.com for more info or send me a pm if interested.

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3/30/14 12:23 PM CST
Lost this morning between Crystal and Sheboygan Falls large ice fishing sled. Fell out of the back of my truck. If someone finds it please let me no. Thanks

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